Tom's services - Bitter innuendo

[guest]

It seems a lot of people were upset at Shane's comment that 'his presence would detract from the proceedings'. Most of us totally understand that Shane doesn't do funerals (although there is one he'll have to go to) and are sure he paid his respects to Tommy in his own way. Nobody cared whether he was there or not, it was totaly up to him. None of us WANTED to attend Toms funeral, although those that could get there went to show our respect for Toms life and acheivements.
I am sure if this comment was genuinely from 'a source' and not from Shane himself, he will have the decency to make that known. It would be totally inappropriate and disrespectful of him to assume people would be more interested in his presence there then the 'occasion' and knowing how much Shane respected Tom I find it hard to believe he said that. Lets face it, musically and charismatically, Shane couldn't hold a candle to Tom, in life or in death. I say, lets lynch 'the source'.

[Irish Clover]

Please, less about Danny, as he'll only saturate this board like he did with Ingrid's one and try to re-write Popes history!

[GUEST]

Allow me to point out a few things that some of you'se may not know....

First, Shane doesnt "do" funerals (did not go to Davey Jordan's, Joe Strummer's, Robbie O'Neills's, or the handful of others in his orbit who seem to pass on with such regularity). The only reason he even went to Big Charlie's was because a few of Charlie's Scottish mates basically threatened him with a hiding if he didn't show up to pay his respects to Charlie's Ma. Shane being far less brave than he lets on, duly showed up. He is a sefish child, and anyone on this Board who knows him and would argue with that comment is either a thick culchie or has his wages paid directly or indirectly by Shane's talents (or both). Shane in many ways has the emotional range and constitution of a 12 year old - his development was stunted somewhere along the way, and the hangers-on and other wankers who enable it ought to be ashamed. The truth is, Tommy was a bloody fantastic musician and a cracking good bloke - 10 times the man Shane ever was or will be, and as evidence, Tommy would have walked over hot coals to go to Shane's funeral, as a sign of respect, had the situation been reversed. Unfortunately Shane doesn't have that kind of class and thinks primarily if not exclusively of himself.

Second, I am not sure why Mr. Chevron equates his own absence with Shane's. Chevron didn't owe Tommy anything, since he never employed him. In many ways, Tommy's depressing last 7 years or so happened because of Shane and his handlers. Tommy never had a pot to piss in, was constantly not getting money owed to him, and at the same time, was expected to be at Shane's beck and call. It is shameful how Tommy was treated by Shane and especially his management. There is no similar duty owed by Mr Chevron, as far as I know, but Shane's absence from the funeral, after 13 or more years on and off employing Tommy at less than subsistence wages, assuming he got paid at all for the one gig every 6 months Shane bothered to show up for, is far more insulting.

Mr Heatley''s absence was equally disappointing, though perhaps there was a reason - I would hope he has the guts to share it, if so. He probably owed money to half the people at the funeral and that is why he didn't turn up - or perhaps he was afraid Maddog would have torn him limb from limb (which he probably would have done).

So - hopefully there has been some truth shed on all this. Tommy was a loyal and good hearted bloke and he will be dearly missed. Hopefully, those already trying to re-write history and make excuses will shut the f*** up and leave Tommy his dignity.

Pogue Mahone indeed.

And I bet some of you out there already have figured out I used to be in a band with Tommy - I wonder which one of youse figures it out first. Once you do, you'll know where to find me. And I'll be waiting....

RIP, Beastie.

[Andy P. Davies]

Edited.

[Mick Molloy]

O think we should now diss this whole subject of hoinh to the funeral in respect of Tom McManamon

[Mark_Wafc]

Allow me to point out a few things that some of you'se may not know....

First, Shane doesnt "do" funerals (did not go to Davey Jordan's, Joe Strummer's, Robbie O'Neills's, or the handful of others in his orbit who seem to pass on with such regularity). The only reason he even went to Big Charlie's was because a few of Charlie's Scottish mates basically threatened him with a hiding if he didn't show up to pay his respects to Charlie's Ma. Shane being far less brave than he lets on, duly showed up. He is a sefish child, and anyone on this Board who knows him and would argue with that comment is either a thick culchie or has his wages paid directly or indirectly by Shane's talents (or both). Shane in many ways has the emotional range and constitution of a 12 year old - his development was stunted somewhere along the way, and the hangers-on and other wankers who enable it ought to be ashamed. The truth is, Tommy was a bloody fantastic musician and a cracking good bloke - 10 times the man Shane ever was or will be, and as evidence, Tommy would have walked over hot coals to go to Shane's funeral, as a sign of respect, had the situation been reversed. Unfortunately Shane doesn't have that kind of class and thinks primarily if not exclusively of himself.

Second, I am not sure why Mr. Chevron equates his own absence with Shane's. Chevron didn't owe Tommy anything, since he never employed him. In many ways, Tommy's depressing last 7 years or so happened because of Shane and his handlers. Tommy never had a pot to piss in, was constantly not getting money owed to him, and at the same time, was expected to be at Shane's beck and call. It is shameful how Tommy was treated by Shane and especially his management. There is no similar duty owed by Mr Chevron, as far as I know, but Shane's absence from the funeral, after 13 or more years on and off employing Tommy at less than subsistence wages, assuming he got paid at all for the one gig every 6 months Shane bothered to show up for, is far more insulting.

Mr Heatley''s absence was equally disappointing, though perhaps there was a reason - I would hope he has the guts to share it, if so. He probably owed money to half the people at the funeral and that is why he didn't turn up - or perhaps he was afraid Maddog would have torn him limb from limb (which he probably would have done).

So - hopefully there has been some truth shed on all this. Tommy was a loyal and good hearted bloke and he will be dearly missed. Hopefully, those already trying to re-write history and make excuses will shut the f*** up and leave Tommy his dignity.

Pogue Mahone indeed.

And I bet some of you out there already have figured out I used to be in a band with Tommy - I wonder which one of youse figures it out first. Once you do, you'll know where to find me. And I'll be waiting....

RIP, Beastie.

Just to add a small thing to this seemingly never ending debate.

I’ve no idea on the rights and wrongs of going to the funeral not going to the funeral the reasons for it etc as it’s not my business but your opinion would carry much more weight if you actually added a name to it instead of keep logging in as Guest. Let’s face it – you could be anyone?

[guest]

Well said that man! It comes from someone who certainly knew Tommy very well.

[CF]

So why didn't Danny go?

I heard it was because he wanted to avoid Paul McGuinness. It's about time Danny grew up if that's the case.

[usualdog]

changed my mind

[MissWalshy]

Slagging Shane off on a thread that's directed as respect for Tom... kind of proves the point.. Shane can't win.. if he's there or if in fact he's not.

Who cares anyway? The day was about Tom not Shane.

[Guest]

If he had been there this thread would not now be discussing this matter. He wasn't and the reason given by a 'source' is being discussed.

It isn't a case of winning. That is childish in the extreme considering the circumstances.

I don't think you need to tell the people who went out of love for a good friend (which Tommy was to us) need to be told about respect. We paid ours.

It was a fitting send off from Tommy's family and friends. May he be at peace.

[funghi the dolphin]

my first time here ...everyone deals with death/grief differently - its outrageous for anyone to have a problem with shane or his management or anyone else for what they did or didnt do after they heard the news - grief means a whole load of emotions for different people and its unfair time to start throwing stones ... whereever tommy is now - im sure he can see the truth RIP. and hopefully .. thru death, life can come - as we appreciate more those we love and who are still with us. XXX

[bullit]

I have just read the many many different angles, on who did/didn't attend the funeral. Everyone is made different and everyone has their own personal reasons, for doing what they do/think. We are not here to judge them or their motives.

The turnout said everything that needs to be said about the affection and high opinion people from all walks of life had for Tommy. The lasting memories he gave us all, are the ONLY things we should be discussing on here, true?

The only "crime" committed if any, was Tommy not having his musical career acknowledged at a higher/wider level and so many friends & fans uniting at his funeral, rather than when he was alive.

Remember the man for all the right reasons and leave the bickering in the playground.

God bless you Tommy

[Simon Maguire]

Allow me to point out a few things that some of you'se may not know....

First, Shane doesnt "do" funerals (did not go to Davey Jordan's, Joe Strummer's, Robbie O'Neills's, or the handful of others in his orbit who seem to pass on with such regularity). The only reason he even went to Big Charlie's was because a few of Charlie's Scottish mates basically threatened him with a hiding if he didn't show up to pay his respects to Charlie's Ma. Shane being far less brave than he lets on, duly showed up. He is a sefish child, and anyone on this Board who knows him and would argue with that comment is either a thick culchie or has his wages paid directly or indirectly by Shane's talents (or both). Shane in many ways has the emotional range and constitution of a 12 year old - his development was stunted somewhere along the way, and the hangers-on and other wankers who enable it ought to be ashamed. The truth is, Tommy was a bloody fantastic musician and a cracking good bloke - 10 times the man Shane ever was or will be, and as evidence, Tommy would have walked over hot coals to go to Shane's funeral, as a sign of respect, had the situation been reversed. Unfortunately Shane doesn't have that kind of class and thinks primarily if not exclusively of himself.

Second, I am not sure why Mr. Chevron equates his own absence with Shane's. Chevron didn't owe Tommy anything, since he never employed him. In many ways, Tommy's depressing last 7 years or so happened because of Shane and his handlers. Tommy never had a pot to piss in, was constantly not getting money owed to him, and at the same time, was expected to be at Shane's beck and call. It is shameful how Tommy was treated by Shane and especially his management. There is no similar duty owed by Mr Chevron, as far as I know, but Shane's absence from the funeral, after 13 or more years on and off employing Tommy at less than subsistence wages, assuming he got paid at all for the one gig every 6 months Shane bothered to show up for, is far more insulting.

Mr Heatley''s absence was equally disappointing, though perhaps there was a reason - I would hope he has the guts to share it, if so. He probably owed money to half the people at the funeral and that is why he didn't turn up - or perhaps he was afraid Maddog would have torn him limb from limb (which he probably would have done).

So - hopefully there has been some truth shed on all this. Tommy was a loyal and good hearted bloke and he will be dearly missed. Hopefully, those already trying to re-write history and make excuses will shut the f*** up and leave Tommy his dignity.

Pogue Mahone indeed.

And I bet some of you out there already have figured out I used to be in a band with Tommy - I wonder which one of youse figures it out first. Once you do, you'll know where to find me. And I'll be waiting....

RIP, Beastie.

Rants hidden behind the username 'GUEST' would hardly give me concerns.

[Dan Heatley]

know who you are. Its no-ones business but mine as to why I couldnt be at Toms funeral, it certainly had nowt to do with who else may or may not have been there! "Guest" very brave...but you have never posted under your own name have you Mick?