Reissues - Liner Notes and Booklet ?

[Guest]

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I am tremendously happy to get the Pogues remasters and am certainly looking forward to the upcoming box-set as well; However, I have to say I'm a little disapointed by the lack of information included in the booklets for the remasters.
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For instance, the back jacket of <b><i>Red Roses ...</b></i> still indicates produced by Stan Brennan (as it would have on the original album); But this isn't entirely accurate for the remastered edition, as Whiskey You're The Devil and Muirshin Durkin were produced by Phillip Chevron were they not? Also, the back sleeve of the Sally MacLennane single indicated Elvis Costello as producer. Did he actually produce the B-side tracks as well (in as much as they were produced), or does the credit only refer to the A-side?
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There's no discographical info either (release dates, etc.), which I was hoping for a little as well. I know it's a silly thing to be concerned about -- and I don't mean to make it sound like a huge complaint (cause having all this music finally collected together and in brillant quality is in itself miraculous) -- but even an excellent site like this one cannot provide these details.
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Perhaps some kind soul can clear up some of these mysteries for me? Where the bonus tracks were not produced by the main album producer, whom else was responsible?
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My appreciation goes out to anyone who can provide some answers ...
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[philipchevron]

I have apologized here at some earlier point for inconsistencies in the resissue packages. We did provide all the correct information to Warners but at some point, a gremlin got in the system. Ordinarily, this would be remedied at a proof-reading stage, but it seems that Warners came under massive pressure at their printers, which is not uncommon at that time of year. This, combined with the fact that all of us who could still insist on the corrections were busy rehearsing for our tour all day, meant that the first batch went out with several errors in the bookletss.

Warners assure me that the corrections will be in the NEXT pressings of all the CDs. I imagine you would be within your rights to ask for a replacement from the record company (NOT the record store) at that point.

However, it was never our intention to provide discographical information on the booklets: as our releases varied so much thoughout the world, especially from 1984 to 1989, this would have been a massive and space-consuming task. As we realised many people (not hardcore fans) would be buying these CDs for the first time, it seemed shrewder to provide some chronological context, hence the Gavin Martin and David Quantick essays and the "guest" sleeve notes. We felt that using photos (many unseen) from our archive would provide an added visual punch.

It is not either, I think, within the remit of this site to provide exhaustive discographical information, but there certainly ARE independent Pogues sites that cover our releases in freat detail. Try googling "Pogues" and "discography". and see what you get.

Elvis Costello produced all the tracks on the "Rum Sodomy" expanded CD except "Paddy Garcia" and "Parting Glass" which were produced by myself. On the "Red Roses" CD, Elvis produced "Wild Rover" and "Leaving of Liverpool" and I produced "Muirshin Durkin" and "Whiskey You're The Devil". The rest was produced by Stan Brennan.

[ShanesTeeth]

I have apologized here at some earlier point for inconsistencies in the resissue packages. We did provide all the correct information to Warners but at some point, a gremlin got in the system. Ordinarily, this would be remedied at a proof-reading stage, but it seems that Warners came under massive pressure at their printers, which is not uncommon at that time of year. This, combined with the fact that all of us who could still insist on the corrections were busy rehearsing for our tour all day, meant that the first batch went out with several errors in the bookletss.

Was one of these errors the complete omission of lyrics on 'Red Roses For Me'? I'm amazed that no-one at Warners noticed such a major SNAFU. This was the one album I was really looking forward to reading the 'official' lyrics to...

Also - was it a conscious decision on your part to omit the lyrics to the bonus tracks from the booklets? The fact that none of the albums has them leads me to believe that you must've done it on purpose...

Warners assure me that the corrections will be in the NEXT pressings of all the CDs. I imagine you would be within your rights to ask for a replacement from the record company (NOT the record store) at that point.

Can we have an official statement in writing to that effect that we can wave under their noses?

However, it was never our intention to provide discographical information on the booklets: as our releases varied so much thoughout the world, especially from 1984 to 1989, this would have been a massive and space-consuming task. As we realised many people (not hardcore fans) would be buying these CDs for the first time, it seemed shrewder to provide some chronological context, hence the Gavin Martin and David Quantick essays and the "guest" sleeve notes. We felt that using photos (many unseen) from our archive would provide an added visual punch.

It might've been nice to have a little bit of info about the origin of the bonus tracks somewhere in the booklets or on the back cover.

No major details or dates needed, just comments in brackets on the tracklistings stating that certain tracks were from the Poguetry In Motion EP, were non-album singles or B-sides from whichever single they first appeared on, etc.

Also, it would've been *extremely* cool if you'd filled up the remaining space on the CDs with taped interviews with the various Pogues (or maybe just your good self) fleshing out the music, describing the background to the various songs and the creative/recording processes, as well as imparting us with a few amusing anecdotes about life in the band.

This worked very well for the Stiff Little Fingers reissues.

[Maija]

Also, it would've been *extremely* cool if you'd filled up the remaining space on the CDs with taped interviews with the various Pogues

As mr Chevron also pointed out, most people who buy these CDs will be buying Pogues stuff for the first time, and then that sounds like a bad idea. It would be absolutely irrelevant for most of the buyers. Personally I would also find it extremely annoying... I want the music and that's it. It does sound like something that could be made by/for a fan club, not something for general sale.

[DzM]

It does sound like something that could be made by/for a fan club, not something for general sale.

I think it sounds like something that would be a spiffy extra disc in a box set. The collected interview discs that came out in the 80s and 90s, and current interviews. It could be that spiffy disc of extras that comes with so many DVDs and has relevancy only to a few fans, but doesn't harm everyone else.

[Maija]

You're right there, DZM. The box sets are for die-hard fans, I guess. And given an extra CD or something with just interviews and that sort of thing, I would probably enjoy it too.

(And it hurt to walk past HMV this weekend without having the money for the re-releases *sighs*)

[sectofone]

May I ask for a bit more information yet?

On <b><i>If I Should Fall ...</b></i> are the bonus tracks also produced by Steve Lillywhite, except for the two by Eamonn Campbell? The same goes for <b><i>Hell's Ditch</b></i>; Which bonus tracks were produced by Joe Strummer (if any), or were some produced by yourself, and was it Eamonn Campbell again or someone else who produced the Pogues / Dubliners contributions?

However, I never meant that the remasters should have included an extensive discography either. Rather, I was wishing for a brief UK listing with the release dates. Certainly I know which b-sides were extra tracks on what singles already, but any Pogues discography I can locate online never includes release dates for any material after the <b><i>If I Should Fall ...</b></i> period.

Of course, this information is often included in the back pages of almost all box-sets I have ever gotten; So perhaps there is hope yet ... ? ;-D

Regardless, I am extremely grateful to you sir for addressing these questions. Thanks again.

[philipchevron]

RED ROSES

1-13, 16, 17: PRODUCED BY STAN BRENNAN
14,19: PRODUCED BY ELVIS COSTELLO
15,18: PRODUCED BY PHILIP CHEVRON


RUM SODOMY:

PRODUCED BY ELVIS COSTELLO
Except 13, 18: PRODUCED BY PHILIP CHEVRON


FALL FROM GRACE:

PRODUCED BY STEVE LILLYWHITE
Except 15,16: PRODUCED BY EAMONN CAMPBELL


PEAS and LUV:

PRODUCED BY STEVE LILLYWHITE
except: 15: PRODUCED BY PAUL SCULLY & DAVID JORDAN


HELL'S DITCH

PRODUCED BY JOE STRUMMER
Except 14, 19 PRODUCED BY DAVE JORDAN & TERRY WOODS
20 PRODUCED BY STEVE LILLYWHITE


HERB:
PRODUCED BY MICHAEL BROOK


MAHONE:

PRODUCED BY STEVE BROWN
except:
1. PRODUCED BY STEVE BROWN/Additional Production STEPHEN HAGUE
15: PRODUCED BY STEVE BROWN/Mixed by STEPHEN HAGUE

[Paddy Rollingstone]

Now isn't it great to have a man from the band post on here! Thank you very much, Mr. Chevron!

[sectofone]

I'm eternally grateful Mr. Chevron -- A million thanks, fine sir.

[ShanesTeeth]

As mr Chevron also pointed out, most people who buy these CDs will be buying Pogues stuff for the first time, and then that sounds like a bad idea. It would be absolutely irrelevant for most of the buyers. Personally I would also find it extremely annoying... I want the music and that's it. It does sound like something that could be made by/for a fan club, not something for general sale.

If it was the final track on the CD, you wouldn't even *have* to listen to it...

[gwrwho]

hi I was just wondering which album of the reissues has the Matt Dillon sleevenotes? I've got all the albums on reissue apart from Waiting for Herb (which I've got on original) and I understand Bob Geldof is on there! o where the fuck are they?

[Guest]

Theres a Poem by Tom Waits,in the Rum Sodomy and the Lash sleeve

[Hellbeard]

Here's the one from Tom Waits:

The Pogues
Their music is like
-the brandy of the damned-
Pogue Mahone
they are the last
pure hearts
from Dickens, Joyce, Dylan Thomas
to Christy Moore
like Red Diamonds
-Pirates- full of malarkey
-they're little giants-
they're Bill Sykes
They are all orphans
and they are leaving
on the 2:10 train
with no -ticket-
Rapscallion, angry, weeping
-passed out songs, songs-
that seem to be born
effortlessly, or
not born but found
on top of an old wood stove
like a Bowler hat
and the Pogues know
-where the little people go-
and they follow them
they're as old as a treasure island
songs that we all should carry
I learnt'em and sung'em
and changed'em
and passed them on
-down the wild blue road-
as Shane MacGowan and the Pogues
warm their hands
on fire
made from chopsticks
and a horse pulls a milk wagon
up the steep, wet cobblestone
-street and stumbles-
to his knees, bloodying them
as a man
no bigger than my tumb
dances in the broken glass
and jomps rope with a shoe lace
the song he sings
-/- is one by the Pogues -/-

Lovely.. Im sure I just broke some copyright law..

[paddys pistol]

who wrote the liner notes for red roses for me