Birmingham six

[Eric V]

Can I be a plastic Scotish-Italian-American-Pole? If so, I hope someone dances on me!

[Eric V]

Pole dancing .... but anyway ....

[DzM]

Sorry for changing the subject again but fucking hell plastic paddy ashamed to be english?[...]

you make me fucking sick!

InMy - This is dancing close to being a personal attack. Knock it off.

Please review this thread before posting any more.

[Eric V]

Aside from the "you make me fucking sick" comment, I see this as being the issue:

"fucking hell plastic paddy ashamed to be english? don't you think we have enough fucking paddies on telly doing that for us without letting it creep into fucking music as well? this is the same as fucking rap now aint it? fucking mainly listened to by white people and yet all the lyrics do is slag white people off, and a lot of bringing rap to a wider audience was facilitated by foward thinking white people with little dollar signs in their eyes, why the fuck should it make YOU feel guilty?"

I don't see that as being an attack against PP as much as a racist statement against non-English, against blacks etc.... C'mon now Liv. I know you aren't like that, china.

[firehazard]

Ms Peirce is now representing several prisoners at Guantanamo and Belmarsh. She's a good lady.

She is one of the world's real heroes.

[Mick Molloy]

Do you keep a diary inmyliverpoolhome? It seems like you have a lot of rage you should write down somewhere where people care about it

[MacRua]

Wonder if the kid is in the know there are loads of other forums besides poor Medusa:

Psychology & Self Help Forum
or Psychlinks Forum

[Mick Molloy]

Wonder if the kid is in the know there are loads of other forums besides poor Medusa:

Psychology & Self Help Forum
or Psychlinks Forum

[carmens827]

this topic just brought to mind the movie " CRASH ".

[Plastic Paddy]

Lordy. Has a nerve been touched?

To answer previous questions within this thread, Roy Keane called Mick McCarthy a plastic paddy due to being an English based manager/player who had played for Ireland (in soccer for the uninitiated). I do not consider the term racist, but an expression of someone who has sympathies to Ireland but is not Irish. I myself seem to spend all holidays over in Ireland and am bold and brave enough to admit having sympathy with the idea of an united Ireland.

The Pogues started out as The New Republicans which obviously has sympathies towards Ireland. Their lyrics indicate this as well. That is one of the major reasons why I like them (apart from the bloody great tunes and the superb live set)

Every countryman has reasons to be embarressed in one form or another about their heritage. Anyone for Morris dancing? I myself am British and can see all that Britian has been called Great for (Nelson, Robin Hood, Yorkshire pud) but can also see negative sides including the historical context of the treatment of Ireland. Aska German if he is ashamed for Hitler - I have asked loads and they are all on the point of crying as they talk about it.

Surely being sorry for your countries past is a good thing even if you cannot alter it? If the Palestinians and Israelites said sorry for the past then the world would take a first step to being a safer place for a start.

[RoddyRuddy]

"""Every countryman has reasons to be embarressed in one form or another about their heritage. Anyone for Morris dancing?"""


You must have never been to Bacup & seen the locals black up there faces and dance from pub to pub , real Morris dancing .Morris dancing can be a great excuse for a piss up .

[carmens827]

what is morris dancing???

[DzM]

what is morris dancing???

Men, sticks, hankies, and bells worn about the ankles.

Charming in its own way for about two minutes.

[welsh rover]

I hate to turn the subject back but while we're at it can people please remember/appreciate that there is a difference (I would say big difference) between the terms "British" and "English".

They seem to be interchangeable in many people's minds e.g. last week a girl from The Go! Team on Soccer AM (UK soccer programme) complaining how "thick" Americans are "they don't even know that England and the United Kingdom is the same place". If you go to France you'll see "Grande Bretagne" or "Royaume Uni" translated simply as "Angleterre", I could go on (an on, and on...!)

Anyway, I just thought it was a bit ironic that earlier in the thread people were saying how you shouldn't be ashamed of/vilified for things your country have done when they are nothing to do with you - I've often had stick for things that as far as I'm concerned are the product of another bloody country entirely different to mine! (And for that bloody "Prince"...)

Welsh History - RS Thomas

We were a people taut for war; the hills
Were no harder, the thin grass
Clothed them more warmly than the coarse
Shirts our small bones.

We fought, and were always in retreat,
Like snow thawing upon the slopes
Of Mynydd Mawr; and yet the stranger
Never found our ultimate stand
In the thick woods, declaiming verse
To the sharp prompting of the harp.

Our kings died, or they were slain
By the old treachery at the ford.
Our bards perished, driven from the halls
Of nobles by the thorn and bramble.

We were a people bred on legends,
Warming our hands at the red past.
The great were ashamed of our loose rags
Clinging stubbornly to the proud tree
Of blood and birth, our lean bellies
And mud houses were a proof
Of our ineptitude for life.

We were a people wasting ourselves
In fruitless battles for our masters,
In lands to which we had no claim,
With men for whom we felt no hatred.

We were a people, and are so yet.
When we have finished quarrelling for crumbs
Under the table, or gnawing the bones
Of a dead culture, we will arise
And greet each other in a new dawn.

[Guest]

..... if other people just stopped paying attention to me I'd dissapear.

Like fairies?