Attack in London?

[Mike from Boston]

Hearing reports about shooting and a car crashing into people outside Parliment in London. Stay safe.

[NewJerseyRich]

Prayers for the innocent citizens murdered today. Oh the dance the Lib media does to avoid the term "Islamic Extremist"

[Low D]

Prayers for the innocent citizens murdered today. Oh the dance the Lib media does to avoid the term "Islamic Extremist"

Way to jump on a tragedy to push a political agenda there NJR, real classy. Trump-worthy, really. Hope you tweeted it out, maybe after you finished praying for the victims. What's the matter with you?

I'm not sure any evidence has been presented, thus far, to indicate this was the work of an "Islamic Extremist", at least not by any media i trust, although UK authorities have been clear to label it "terrorism". Actually, as discussed elsewhere on this forum, what usually happens is EVERYTHING gets labeled, or intimated, to be the work of "Islamic Extremists", even if it is really about a single, unconnected individual with mental health problems (2014 shootings at Parliament Hill, Ottawa) or even a white supremacist (2017 Mosque shooting in Montreal).

That latter example, where a witness' Muslim-sounding name was leaked to media, causing widespread speculation/assumption (including from your government) that sectarian Muslim killing was going on, is a perfect example of why NOT to jump to conclusions.

[NewJerseyRich]

Saying "Islamic Extremism" is not a political agenda. Even though Barry Soetoro couldn't mouth the words.

[Low D]

Saying "Islamic Extremism" is not a political agenda. Even though Barry Soetoro couldn't mouth the words.

Dude, read what you posted:

Prayers for the innocent citizens murdered today. Oh the dance the Lib media does to avoid the term "Islamic Extremist"

As of my time (2:22pm PST) nobody other than Tony Robinson is placing "islamic extremism" at cause here. And you. In a gleeful way. I say it again, what's wrong with you? You're basically a troll at this point. Maybe some people can't say it, and maybe some people, like yourself, can't NOT say it. Maybe folks can wait an few mintues or - yes - even hours before broadcasting their rants. Wait for a fact or two.

[NewJerseyRich]

How the hell is stating the dance I'm watching several talking heads like Wolfe Blitzer do to say everything but Terror, Islamist, Extremist. He's called a knife attack, car attack, gun attack. No rant or trolling needed. Just a simple analysis of the media coverage.

Several outlets have actually called the perpetrator "Asian".

[Low D]

How the hell is stating the dance I'm watching several talking heads like Wolfe Blitzer do to say everything but Terror, Islamist, Extremist. He's called a knife attack, car attack, gun attack. No rant or trolling needed. Just a simple analysis of the media coverage.

Yeah, nutso how they comment on the known facts, what a bunch of fake news. Losers. Sad. WRONG.

[NewJerseyRich]

CNN, Colluding... Clinton News Network is the epitome of Fake news btw.

[Low D]

CNN, Colluding... Clinton News Network is the epitome of Fake news btw.

Yes yes we all know you're good at name-calling and sloganeering. You understand that's not facts, tho, right? Don't misunderstand, i'm not a fan of CNN or very much other mainstream TV news media at all, but i find Fox far, far, worse in terms of running opinion over news than ANYONE. But i guess this doesn't matter to you if it happens to be YOUR opinion.

These days, most of the fake news comes direct from the POTUS, and i have to thank the White House for cutting out the middle man and shoveling the BS direct. That's efficient government.

[NewJerseyRich]

I like when I point out a media outlet, that has been proven to have colluded with a certain political party (D) in an attempt to win an election..... see Wikileaks document dump of John Podesta and Donna Brazile emails.... people turn the conversation to Fox news because Of course I MUST watch that network. Hilarious.

I'm sure you know how these networks work....Each network except MSNBC has at least one News Program and the rest of the programs are talking heads giving opinion.

[Low D]

I like when I point out a media outlet, that has been proven to have colluded with a certain political party (D) in an attempt to win an election..... see Wikileaks document dump of John Podesta and Donna Brazile emails.... people turn the conversation to Fox news because Of course I MUST watch that network. Hilarious.

Well, it would be surprising, as FOX has taken partisanship to a whole new level, but the sectarianism in your country is so fierce that it's become a not uncommon phenomenon to see/hear people slamming lying, fake, partisan media... and then in the same press praising Fox.

I'm sure you know how these networks work....Each network except MSNBC has at least one News Program and the rest of the programs are talking heads giving opinion.

Yes well that's why i detest the lot of 'em. At 43 years old i am apparently a cranky old man as i prefer to read my news (although all the actually cranky old white men - and one orange one - are apparently all watching Fox, as it confirms their worst and greatest fears on a daily/nightly basis). CBC, The Toronto Star, The Guardian, Le Monde... liberal bias? Perhaps. Proven to have investigative chops, reliable editorial staff (ie: fact checked), thoughtful, and not given to hyperbole.

But back to the point at hand... i'm curious as to how you feel the words "Islamic extremism" SHOULD be used in live broadcast of an unfolding event with no obvious/as yet declared links to any Islamic extremist person or group, other than "sources are not yet linking the event to Islamic extremism"?

[Mike from Boston]

Maybe Low D being in Canada you have a different perspective. But for eight long years, we lived with a President that did everything he could to avoid telling the truth about terrorism. It took him SIX years to admit Fort Hood was a terrorist attack, not just "workplace" violence! We were told Benghazi was "just a bad reaction to a YouTube video" rather than a coordinated attack on US interests on the anniversary of 9/11. After Orlando, Obama stated that “we have no definitive assessment on the motivation” of Omar Mateen but that “we know he was a person filled with hate.” Um, actually he called the police "pledged fealty to ISIS"

You bring up other incidents -the Dylan Roof Church Murders and the recent Canadian attack. As far as I know, there was no hand wringing with regard to calling him a White Supremacist-no one is hesitating to worry about offending white people. Would it be overreaching to ban KKK members from Canada based on Dylan Roof?

This attack hits home for many people. If you have been to London, most likely you have walked this bridge. I also have cousins in London. Maybe because Vancouver hasn't been hit by terrorist attacks like Boston and NY/New Jersey, it doesn't strike you the same way.

Did NJR jump the gun on calling this "Islamic Terrorism"? Yes. Is he wrong? Extremely doubtful, as the threat level has been raised and the idea of an attack on the anniversary of another attack (see Benghazi) -it's the one year since the Brussels Attacks. Is his point valid-definitely!!

People are frustrated. Like a review of a Pogues show, the same cliches will be spouted -"Never Again" "We can't let the terrorists win", "We need to go about life and not let the terrorists win". Update your Facebook page with the colors of the (insert country's) flag. Easy to say if you aren't affected. In Boston, we had a so called "refugee" from Chechnya, came to this country, got welfare, beat his wife, left the US (um.. I thought he was a refugee? why go back? isn't his life in danger?) comes back and kills four people and maims hundreds of others.

The media wonders why Brexit? why Trump? Well the people are answering!!

Fire away!!!

[Low D]

You bring up other incidents -the Dylan Roof Church Murders and the recent Canadian attack. As far as I know, there was no hand wringing with regard to calling him a White Supremacist-no one is hesitating to worry about offending white people. Would it be overreaching to ban KKK members from Canada based on Dylan Roof?

I wasn't objecting to the labeling of this as a terror attack, i was calling you out on your apparent desire to hear media use the words "Islamic Extremism", apparently before any motive has actually been discovered. Which i would consider irresponsible journalism, the sort of "fake news" you claim to find objectionable.

As I mentioned before, in the recent Mosque killing in Canada, an assumption that an Islamic extremist was responsible flooded out (including, actually, from the White House), when in fact the perpetrator was a Caucasian, anti-Muslim terrorist (who in fact most media have declined to call a "white supremacist"). This contributed to an already racist, anti-Muslim atmosphere in the province of Quebec. Given the heightened state of racial tensions in your country, and your apparant distaste for fake news, i wonder why you are so eager to see this happen?

[firehazard]

Prayers for the innocent citizens murdered today. Oh the dance the Lib media does to avoid the term "Islamic Extremist"

It should be noted that before yesterday's events, the last terrorist attack on British soil was in June 2016, when a Member of Parliament was murdered by a White British far-right extremist.

It may also be noted that the right-wing media, certainly in this country, tended to avoid mentioning the perpetrator's connections with far-right extremist organisations.

Oh I wonder how much NJR had to say about that one.

[NewJerseyRich]

Prayers for the innocent citizens murdered today. Oh the dance the Lib media does to avoid the term "Islamic Extremist"

It should be noted that before yesterday's events, the last terrorist attack on British soil was in June 2016, when a Member of Parliament was murdered by a White British far-right extremist.

It may also be noted that the right-wing media, certainly in this country, tended to avoid mentioning the perpetrator's connections with far-right extremist organizations.

Oh I wonder how much NJR had to say about that one.

Admittedly I don't know much about the British right. I'd say how many right wing attacks vs. Muslim extremist attacks were there in London over the last decade? For that matter how many Left wing attacks? Are there neighborhoods of right wingers where you can't travel through? If you think the right is a larger problem then Muslim Extremism I can't help you.