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Post Sun Dec 07, 2003 5:07 am

lets get some discussion going here. :D


what's your favorite pogues song?
"I don't want to change the world
Just my own
But sometimes I feel so alone"
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If I Should Fall..

Post Tue Dec 09, 2003 9:43 am

My favourite song is If I Should Fall.. because it means that The Pogues are indeed a great band. After Rum, Sodomy And The Lash everyone thought that the band can't make any more hits like Streams of Whysky or Boys from the county Hell... and then BOOM, a great album, and a great song which gives a clear message - The Pogues are not dead.

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...more pricks than kicks...

Post Sat Dec 13, 2003 9:25 am

Well my favourite these days is More Pricks than Kicks...I'm not in a mood...Khhhkhhhkhhh...U know what i mean....
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Post Mon Dec 15, 2003 7:01 pm

at this time of year it's got to be fairytale of new york...i miss kirsty.
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Post Mon Dec 15, 2003 8:04 pm

"Turkish Song of the Damned" is one of the best 'shipwreck/ghost story' songs out there. The line "did you see the woman with a comb in her hand?" calls up the old myth that spotting a mermaid combing her hair is a sure sign of trouble on the high seas.
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Post Tue Dec 16, 2003 12:17 am

Anonymous wrote:at this time of year it's got to be fairytale of new york...i miss kirsty.

yeah, i've been listening to that a lot lately. :D
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Post Tue Dec 16, 2003 12:19 am

Where did you see the myths associated with a woman combing her hair? It's been bugging me for a while, because I know I've read it somewhere and can't recall. Thanks.
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Post Tue Dec 16, 2003 12:44 am

Where did you see the myths associated with a woman combing her hair?


Mostly I drew from the Clancy Brothers' song "The Mermaid"

'Twas Friday morn when we set sail,
And we had not got far from land,
When the Captain, he spied a lovely mermaid,
With a comb and a glass in her hand.

Chorus
Oh the ocean waves may roll,
And the stormy winds may blow,
While we poor sailors go skipping aloft
And the land lubbers lay down below, below, below
And the land lubbers lay down below.

Then up spoke the Captain of our gallant ship,
And a jolly old Captain was he;
"I have a wife in Salem town,
But tonight a widow she will be."


But it turns up in a lot of places. Here in a play called "The Roaring Girl":

SIR ALEXANDER
This wench we speak of strays so from her kind
Nature repents she made her. 'Tis a mermaid
Has toll'd my son to shipwreck.

TRAPDOOR
I'll cut her comb for you.

SIR ALEXANDER
I'll tell out gold for thee then; hunt her forth,
Cast out a line hung full of silver hooks
To catch her to thy company: deep spendings
May draw her that's most chaste to a man's bosom.


http://www.tech.org/~cleary/roar.html

He's gaen up to the tapmast,
To the tapmast sae hie;
He luikit around on every side,
But dry land he couldna see.

He luikit on his youngest son,
An the tear blindit he ee;
Says, I wish you had been in your mother's bowr,
But there you'll never be.

"Pray for yoursels, my merrie young men,
Pray for yoursels an me,
For the first landen that we will land
Will be in the boddam o the sea."

Then up it raise the mermaiden,
Wi the comb an glass in her hand:
"Here's a health to you, my merrie young men,
For you never will see dry land."


http://www.informatik.uni-hamburg.de/~z ... trick.html
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Melusina, when she leaves the castle of Lusignan, becomes a Banshee; and it has been a common superstition among sailors, that the appearance of a mermaid, with her comb and looking-glass, foretokens shipwreck, with the loss of all on board.


http://www.worldwideschool.org/library/ ... chap9.html[/quote]


Apologies for the long post.
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Mermaids and Combs

Post Tue Dec 16, 2003 12:54 am

Christine wrote:Where did you see the myths associated with a woman combing her hair? [...] I know I've read it somewhere and can't recall.


Poking around on Google I've found a few references:<blockquote><blockquote type=cite>[I]t has been a common superstition among sailors, that the appearance of a mermaid, with her comb and looking-glass, foretokens shipwreck, with the loss of all on board.
-- Myths and Myth-Makers</blockquote></blockquote><blockquote><blockquote type=cite>In Norway the 'havfrau' portends imminent disaster if sighted sitting on the surface of the water combing her long golden hair with a golden comb.
-- The Mermaid article</blockquote></blockquote>There's probably more out there that are more authoratative.
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Post Wed Dec 17, 2003 9:56 am

Many thanks, Midlife Mando and DzM - curious quotes, that image must be quite widespread then. A bit like the Lorelei who sits on a high rock above the Rhine, singing and combing her hair, and lures to shipwreck all those listening to her.
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Post Wed Dec 17, 2003 4:43 pm

Christine wrote:That image must be quite widespread then. A bit like the Lorelei who sits on a high rock above the Rhine, singing and combing her hair, and lures to shipwreck all those listening to her.

Turns out that sailors are a superstitious lot. Just about everything means that the ship is going to sink with all hands. :wink:
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Post Wed Dec 17, 2003 10:25 pm

But it is interesting how good looking women (even the ones without human legs) are so often the cause of many a sailor's downfall...
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Post Sat Dec 27, 2003 3:31 pm

Thats just women for ya... always the downfall of man :wink:
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Post Wed Dec 31, 2003 6:13 am

"Fairytale" is very possibly my favorite song of all time, by anybody, so I sort of think of it as being in a category all its own that can't be compared with anything else.

After that there are three or four songs that I love equally, but if pressed to pick a favorite, it would probably be "White City" because I love the tune and the instrumentation so much.
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Post Sat Jan 10, 2004 7:30 pm

My favourite song is "Where´s that love been gone?".

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