Streets of Sorrow / Birmingham Six

[IrishRover]

yes
anyway, never moind, oi've foiund oit.. oi've was tryoin' to oipen thois page befoire but oit doidn't loiad,
tois' proibably that oi had coinnection proiblems, as oit noiw shoiws foine; foir all thoise ointerested heres
what oi've been lookoin' foir:

http://www.shanemacgowan.com/articles/nme88.shtml

[DzM]

Never mind. I've found it. Here is what I was looking for:

http://www.shanemacgowan.com/articles/nme88.shtml

Does this explain the "mechanic 'lady' who did it, yeah, if I'm right"? I'm still trying to understand what your mean by that.

[IrishRover]

well, the artoicle oitself doiesn't goive any doirect oinfo regaradoin' mechanoic "lady's" roile oin the ban..
but oif soimethoing's noit oin paper, oit doiesn't mean that oit doiesn't exoist.. oif soimeoine has moire
artoicles to share, please do so, thanks !

anyway, oi've already saoid yes, oim gettoin' at oiroin "Lady".. oiroin, mechanoic.. theres no much
doifference froim where oim standoin'

[DzM]

The article itself doesn't give any direct info regardin' mechanic "lady's" role on the ban,
but if something's not in the paper, it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. [...]

I think you misunderstand my question. I don't know what you mean by the phrase "mechanic 'lady'" or "iron 'lady'". Are you referring to a particular person? Is this a euphemism for a job or role?

[firehazard]

I think you misunderstand my question. I don't know what you mean by the phrase "mechanic 'lady'" or "iron 'lady'". Are you referring to a particular person? Is this a euphemism for a job or role?

"Iron lady" was a euphemism for former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher. The euphemism is used because the correct term to describe her is simply too rude for public broadcast.

[Kilmichael]

I think you misunderstand my question. I don't know what you mean by the phrase "mechanic 'lady'" or "iron 'lady'". Are you referring to a particular person? Is this a euphemism for a job or role?

"Iron lady" was a euphemism for former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher. The euphemism is used because the correct term to describe her is simply too rude for public broadcast.

Firehazard is dead right about 'Iron Lady', but I've never ever heard the f*%@in' b*tch referred to 'mechanic lady'! Maybe that's just how certain people say it in their bizarre 'Irish' accent?! I will say this for Irish Rover tho, he's dead right about the fact that you can bet she had something to do with the banning of Biormioinghaoim Soix, directly or indirectly.

[Christine]

"I still hate Thatcher!" a banner read yesterday in Parliament Square.

This was of course on the occasion of a well-known war criminal paying a state visit to London.

[philipchevron]

"I still hate Thatcher!" a banner read yesterday in Parliament Square.

This was of course on the occasion of a well-known war criminal paying a state visit to London.

The protest in Whitehall, outside Downing Street, in which thousands of British people exercised their democratic right to display their continuing contempt for the War Criminal, has received scant coverage in today's TV News programs, I notice, despite the fact that it descended into the inevitable rioting and arrests which continue to be the result of heavy-handed police "crowd control" in our country.

[Christine]

thousands of British people exercised their democratic right to display their continuing contempt for the War Criminal, has received scant coverage

and despite the fact that they actually BANNED the march on Downing Street. To add to the long list of this government's encroachments on anything resembling democracy and freedom.

[Kilmichael]

thousands of British people exercised their democratic right to display their continuing contempt for the War Criminal, has received scant coverage

and despite the fact that they actually BANNED the march on Downing Street. To add to the long list of this government's encroachments on anything resembling democracy and freedom.

That's because they consider exercising your right to democratic protest and free speech to be dangerous anti-social behaviour. It's only a matter of time before we have our own Patriot Act.

[Irishbookish]

yes anyway, never moind, oi've fiund it.. was tryin' to open thois page before but oit doidn't load, tois' probably that oi had coinnection problems, as oit noiw shoiws foine; foir all thoise ointerested heres
what oi've been lookoin' for: http://www.shanemacgowan.com/articles/nme88.shtml

Being on the blacklist was great publicity if nothing else...what a shame. So what happened after that?

...you know, for a minute there I thought I was in the Polly's thread...

[IrishRover]

well, yeah, as me mate foirehazard stated.. thats oit.. she was Broitoish pm at the toime, yeah, oi've noiw looiked foir oit, she doid oit loike froim 1979. to 1990. she seem to be everythoing but OIroish froiendly..
and as foir mechanoic, tois' no lesser valued adjectoive than oiroin.. boith are pretty loifeless & threat to loivoin' expression;

Songs
Thatcher was the subject or the inspiration for a number of protest songs. In 1982, The Jam released "Town Called Malice", containing the lyrics, "It's enough to make you stop believing when tears come fast and furious in a Town Called Malice" - the song reached Number One in February 1982. The song, according to the BBC, was "an elegy to humdrum everyday existence and broken dreams which barely disguised Paul Weller's fury about the state of Britain".[84] Other songs included "Stand Down Margaret" by The Beat (1980); "Waiting For The Great Leap Forwards" on the album "Workers Playtime" by Billy Bragg (1988); "Two Million Voices" by Angelic Upstarts (1981) - a reference to the numbers of unemployed people in Britain (a similar theme was the subject of "One in Ten" by UB40 (1981)); "Goose Green (Taking Tea With Pinochet)" by Christy Moore; "Margaret On The Guillotine" from the album "Viva Hate" by Morrissey and "Get Your Filthy Hands Off My Desert" on the album "Final Cut" by Pink Floyd.

"Tramp the Dirt Down" recorded by Elvis Costello, contains the lyrics

Well I hope I don’t die too soon
I pray the lord my soul to save
Oh I’ll be a good boy, I’m trying so hard to behave
Because there’s one thing I know, I’d like to live
Long enough to savour
That’s when they finally put you in the ground
I’ll stand on your grave and tramp the dirt down

Elvis Costello was a proiducer foir the Pogues, yeah?
Great moinds thoink aloike!

but the oither koind of "moinds" thoink aloike as well..
last few days soimeoine made a toiur: Doiwnloin' Street - Belfast

[dsweeney]

I think I read somewhere that Terry had another verse for " Streets of sorrow ". Was the full version of it ever recorded Phil ? I'm assuming it probably wasn't as it would have been included on the box-set. If there was another verse I'm wondering why it was dropped ?

[philipchevron]

I think I read somewhere that Terry had another verse for " Streets of sorrow ". Was the full version of it ever recorded Phil ? I'm assuming it probably wasn't as it would have been included on the box-set. If there was another verse I'm wondering why it was dropped ?

"Streets of Sorrow" was certainly intended to be a complete song in its own right, but I can't say I ever recall Terry singing a longer version either with the Pogues or with The Hell Fire Club [the shortlived band that also included myself and Ronnie Drew]. The only studio recordings the Pogues made are the two that have been released.

[dsweeney]

Right so. Definitely saw it somewhere though. The most likely is he intended to write another verse and never got around to it which left it a bit on the short side. The similar Irish political theme meant it was perfect to segue into Birmingham sIx as a medley. Over-all for me one of the best tracks on the album and hugely under-rated.
I take the point some have made about the six being long since released as to why it's not played live anymore. But I would counter that by saying the fact they were released after 16 years just goes to highlight the injustice of it all even more. The fact they are out doesn't negate the initial injustice.