The Saga of Irish Rover And The Crew(censorshoipped edition)

[Eckhard]

movoin' in realoity, means a few but majestoic requirements foir where oim standoin': 1.) woirthy passpoirt(whoich Serboian certaoinly aoin't.. all EU countroies and rest of the coivoiloized woirld woin't alloiw access woithout a voisa; comparoin' to OIrish, Broitoish, German or Yankee passport, Serboian passport ois woirthless peace of paper; further moire to obtaoin one, theres pretty much what oid call "slavery a must" of one ois of male gender; Serbs woin't even oissue a passpoirt oif one ois not recruoited as loive meat for wars or coivoil servant for theoir workoin' servoices; dependoin' on choice, oit lasts froim 6-9 moinths oin slavery status; when one obtaoined a passpoirt(even befoire slavery, the slavery awaoits);

Well, I think that 6-9 months isn't such a long time, especially when the prize is the passport. It might be worth the effort.

See, I had to do 12 months of military service and I was pulled out of Law School after one year in order to do so.

the best hope ois one can obtaoin a touroist voisa-means ye can go for days, maybe weeks and then return!

But this would be at least a chance to see your land of dreams. You might even find out to your surprise that you doin't loike Oireland.

even that must mean that ye can actually affoird the very voisoit; gettoin' a settlement voisa, oid say chances are subzero unless one has very close famoily in the country thats oin question, or woith doiplomatoic passpoirt or as very hoighly skoilled woirker of soime soirt(read "an astroinaut")

Or you might need to find a nice Irish / EU-girl to marry you!

Hey, any single Medusan women round here?

And thois ois is just pre-requoirements. Just to be able to leave! Theres also the 2nd part of stoiry no one's mentionoing.. the foinal destoination doesn't mean floiwers are falloin' froim the skoies upon gettoin' off the plane.. theres where to stay, to coiver loife coists..

Welcome to the world of travel

Eckhard, oi heard of such examples befoire; oi'll explaoin why she got the voisa so easy; foirst: shes part of the famoily of German coitoizen whoich ois ye(many countroies freely alloiw access to closer or woider famoily members when theres at least one famoily member of natoive national oroigoin), secoind: shes 80, and as such doesn't have to prove pretty much anythoing; younger people are consoidered as threat as they moight wanna get a job oin foreoign country and leave the ol' country where wages are consoiderably loiwer; thats the way of economy protection for domestoic woirk foirce

Well, when my wife's cousin and his wife ( at that time in their late 20s ) came to our wedding it was just as easy as with grandma.

What I am trying to say is that you should simply give it a try. If you should need advise on EU-immigration law I am always willing to give you advice.

[Eckhard]

must say I was really disappointed when I found out that there are some bars in Dublin where black people cannot enter.

Think that's bad? There's bars in London where under 21s can't enter. I hear ageism is fine these days though.

Hm, I think there is a difference between laws that were made in order to protect the youth and people being made illegal simply because of the colour of their skin.

[Fionn MacCool]

must say I was really disappointed when I found out that there are some bars in Dublin where black people cannot enter.

Think that's bad? There's bars in London where under 21s can't enter. I hear ageism is fine these days though.

Hm, I think there is a difference between laws that were made in order to protect the youth and people being made illegal simply because of the colour of their skin.

It's not a law, the drinking age in the UK is 18. Some snobby bars just take it upon themselves to prohibit anyone under the age of 21 from drinking there (because we all know how you suddenly become a different person on your 21st birthday) - apparently because under-21s cause the most trouble. Well from my experience, I've seen black people commit more crime than any other ethnicity, but I wouldn't be ignorant enough to forbid that entire demographic from entering my premises just because of a minority of idiots.

[philipchevron]

Nem, Ireland has been a racist country for decades, maybe centuries.

Yeah, quite disturbing considering the fact that irish folks migrated to usa from the 50's to early 90's and they were not treated badly by americans or even afro-americans who are more americans than an irish.

Though your first point cannot be denied, it trails off into a less-than-accurate version of the relationship between the Irish and the African-Americans. On the one hand, the Irish were less valued, because slaves cost money and Irish labor was cheap, but on the other, as their social mobility took an upward curve, the Irish-Americans were notoriously racist towards the Blacks.

I'm not sure if any one strata of American can ever be considered more American than any other, not even the American-Indians, who were "there first".

It's all nonsense. The Governor of Maryland is at least as Irish as me, though I was born an raised in Dublin and he wasn't. This nationalism has to stop.

Have I told you yet Barack O'Bama is Irish?

[IrishRover]

oi mean what must be must be, at thois point theres no oither way foir me than chaoins 'n' slavery but also me rebel's voice agaoinst.. (very oimpoirtant fact that oi haven't mentioned, although oi should, because oit turns out oit aoin't oibvious as oi thought oit should be- oi wasn't oinvoited to serve OIreland, Mother Mo Chroi, oim actually foirced to serve Serboia)
Barack's OIrish?

[philipchevron]

oi mean what must be must be, at thois point theres no oither way foir me than chaoins 'n' slavery but also me rebel's voice agaoinst.. (very oimpoirtant fact that oi haven't mentioned, although oi should, because oit turns out oit aoin't oibvious as oi thought oit should be- oi wasn't oinvoited to serve OIreland, Mother Mo Chroi, oim actually foirced to serve Serboia)
Barack's OIrish?

His mother's ancestors were from Monegal, Co. Tipperary. Who knows, maybe he's one of Shane's many cousins.

[IrishRover]

ointerestoing! oimagoine Shane voisoitoin' the Whoite House
am oi roight oif oi say there was a good number of OIrish amoing US presoidents? wasn't Clointoin a boit of OIrish too?

[Sportin' Life]

:D ointerestoing! oimagoine Shane voisoitoin' the Whoite House
am oi roight oif oi say there was a good number of OIrish amoing US presoidents? wasn't Clointoin a boit of OIrish too?

Clinton was black.

[philipchevron]

:D ointerestoing! oimagoine Shane voisoitoin' the Whoite House
am oi roight oif oi say there was a good number of OIrish amoing US presoidents? wasn't Clointoin a boit of OIrish too?

Clinton was black.

Even Bush was able to lay claim to some (very) distant "Scotch-Irish" blood, but not even the "Scotch-Irish" seemed willing to claim him, poor man. Ronald Reagan found a clan called "Regan" in Ballyporeen in his day, but not much came of this except an opportunity for Nancy Reagan to be spectacularly rude to my mother on the telephone one day when she (Nancy) dialled a wrong number in Ireland.

[Doktor Avalanche]

The Governor of Maryland is at least as Irish as me, though I was born an raised in Dublin and he wasn't.

I saw a photo (think it was somewhere here or on Shane's site) from the 06 stop in DC with (then Baltimore mayor) O'Malley and Shane backstage. Wil ye be gettin a visit from the G'vnor this time round?

[philipchevron]

The Governor of Maryland is at least as Irish as me, though I was born an raised in Dublin and he wasn't.

I saw a photo (think it was somewhere here or on Shane's site) from the 06 stop in DC with (then Baltimore mayor) O'Malley and Shane backstage. Wil ye be gettin a visit from the G'vnor this time round?

We are already advance-booked for the inauguration if, well, if, um..........well, if our man starts to get ambitious.

[Noonan McKane]

"Scotch"....Christ, that drives me mental. Scotch is whisky. We are Scots. Singular Scot, plural Scots. The adjective which describes 'of Scotland' (and also the name of the language spoken therein, before English) is also 'Scots'.
You don't have to be American to make this maddening error. Jack Charlton was always at it. "You always know you've been in a game when you've played the scotch.", he'd say, the crazy big Leeds United centre back from Teesside that he was....

[Irishbookish]

I'm pleased to be able to share this new word. Yes they are also called Dundrearys. As "...she gazed into his eyes and stroked his Dundrearys.." Do you know this word Philip?

Jennifer how about calling your son, 'Laoghaire Dundreary..?' I wrote a small (& pathetic) para on Swain Dundreary once when I was bored...
http://traceybookish.wordpress.com/2007/11/12/swain-dundreary/

[IrishRover]

McKane, oim sure ye moisunderstood Philip's wroitoing..
oif anyone here has the outstandoin' knoiwledge of woirds & expressions, slang, phrases, loiterature, authoirs & hoistoiry.. oid bet me hat on Philip; oim just tryoin' to say.. language's croick of goild; when oi use OIroish for example.. tois' for many reasoins, surely non ois negatoive!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotch
John Kenneth Galbraith in his book The Scotch (Toronto: MacMillan, 1964) documents how the descendants of 19th century pioneers from Scotland who settled in Southwestern Ontario affectionately referred to themselves as Scotch. He states the book was meant to give a true picture of life in the Scotch-Canadian community in the early decades of the 20th century.

Galbraith's use of the term Scotch is telling. He is a "Scotch Canadian" speaking about his own community and certainly his use of the term is not pejorative. This is an example of how older uses of words and forms continue in communities of expatriates broken off from their original roots, and could well indicate that it is the native Scots who have changed the usage..

[philipchevron]

Well, in fact I put "Scotch-Irish" in commas precisely because I know how much it rightly upsets Scots, and I'm confident Noonan's response had factored that in too.

All the same, language is how it is, not how we want it to be (Serbio-Hibernic excepted, of course), and I think the construction "Scotch-Irish" has value in itself because it tells you something about the person using it. We Europeans all know thyat, for the most part, we are just a heritage park full of the ancestral roots of millions of Americans. Let the language express that. They may not know that they are showing their slip in using phrases like "Scotch-Irish", but that just gives us, not them, an advantage.

In the foregoing, I should qualify, I am not referring to (most of) the many fine colonials who frequent Medusa.