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Re: The New President of these here United States of America

Post Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:34 pm

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Frances wrote:Oops, actually a Ben's Chili Bowl employee.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30-lYueJivk w
@:30 8)

A pint of Plain..............

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5206QjFWmAk


Me thinks the prez can't even tell the truth on tasting a Guinness. At 2:22
"The first time I had a Guinness was when I came into Shannon airport....we we're flying into Afganistan, and so we had to stop at Shannon, it was the middle of the night, umm and I tried one of these and I realised, it tastes so much better here....then it does in the states. And umm, no but uhh, but what I realised was that, that, ahh you guys are uhh, you know you're keeping all, all the, the best best stuff here. So ya know I, i, i, I am very impressed, it's delicious, it is wonderful.

Wow what syntax. So moving, so statesmanesque.... :lol:

Just a minor point of observation but ........if the first time he had a Guinness was at Shannon airport how exactly does he know you keep the best stuff there and that it's different then in the states? :roll:
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Post Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:20 pm

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Frances wrote:Oops, actually a Ben's Chili Bowl employee.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30-lYueJivk
@:30 8)

A pint of Plain..............

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5206QjFWmAk


with a side of everything:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIQ3woZPQLM&feature=related :)

He's got an awesome metabolism.
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Post Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:23 pm

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Me thinks the prez can't even tell the truth on tasting a Guinness. At 2:22
"The first time I had a Guinness was when I came into Shannon airport....we we're flying into Afganistan, and so we had to stop at Shannon, it was the middle of the night, umm and I tried one of these and I realised, it tastes so much better here....then it does in the states. And umm, no but uhh, but what I realised was that, that, ahh you guys are uhh, you know you're keeping all, all the, the best best stuff here. So ya know I, i, i, I am very impressed, it's delicious, it is wonderful.

Wow what syntax. So moving, so statesmanesque.... :lol:

Just a minor point of observation but ........if the first time he had a Guinness was at Shannon airport how exactly does he know you keep the best stuff there and that it's different then in the states? :roll:


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Post Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:48 pm

Frances wrote:
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Me thinks the prez can't even tell the truth on tasting a Guinness. At 2:22
"The first time I had a Guinness was when I came into Shannon airport....we we're flying into Afganistan, and so we had to stop at Shannon, it was the middle of the night, umm and I tried one of these and I realised, it tastes so much better here....then it does in the states. And umm, no but uhh, but what I realised was that, that, ahh you guys are uhh, you know you're keeping all, all the, the best best stuff here. So ya know I, i, i, I am very impressed, it's delicious, it is wonderful.

Wow what syntax. So moving, so statesmanesque.... :lol:

Just a minor point of observation but ........if the first time he had a Guinness was at Shannon airport how exactly does he know you keep the best stuff there and that it's different then in the states? :roll:

Jet lag


I just found common ground with old BO. It is DELICIOUS and wonderful
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Post Mon Jan 23, 2012 4:39 am

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cagliostro wrote:To O'Blivion's statistics, I present Robert Anton Wilson’s secret of power: “You know how dumb the average person is. Well, half the people are even dumber than that.”

NewJerseyRich wrote:Note: If you do win I will probably be unable to pay you as another four years of the dismantling of our economy and our freedoms and we'll all be in deep deep economic doo doo. I recommend stocking up on survival books now.


This is something I keep seeing over and over again by the anti-Obama folks - Obama is going to cause us all to have to run to the hills and live in caves and we'll need to learn how to survive in the wilderness. Where did this start? No matter how crappy it was with Bush, I never heard anyone spout these doomsday scenarios. I only ever heard people whining that they'd need to move to another country. So where did this "run for the hills" fear come from? Was it one talking head that trickled down to the many (such as my inlaws)? I don't get it.


My comments had more to do with sarcasum then actual hill hiding. I would suggest the idea of an apocolyptical event being largely non-partisan. Although TEOTWAWKI (the end of the world as we know it) scenarios are all the rage currently I believe that is due to.....1) The worlds economies being on the verge of collapse. 2) There's also much talk about the threat of EMP (electromagnetic pulse) These can range from solar flares or be human created and in theory wipe out all electronics sending civilization into a 100 year slide back in time. 3) Add to that the Mayan calandar and their 2012 end of time thingy and you can see why it's currently a common topic of conversation.
I would assume the in laws are probably more in the camp of economic collapse where we'll be looking at worse times then the great depression. Store supplies now while you can, it can't hurt.


As a child of the Thatcher/Regan/Mulroney years, i might argue that the "Run to the Hills" mindset actually had it's heyday in the US during the red-scare early 80s. Ever see "Red Dawn"?
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Post Mon Jan 23, 2012 4:42 pm

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This is something I keep seeing over and over again by the anti-Obama folks - Obama is going to cause us all to have to run to the hills and live in caves and we'll need to learn how to survive in the wilderness. Where did this start? No matter how crappy it was with Bush, I never heard anyone spout these doomsday scenarios. I only ever heard people whining that they'd need to move to another country. So where did this "run for the hills" fear come from? Was it one talking head that trickled down to the many (such as my inlaws)? I don't get it.


My comments had more to do with sarcasum then actual hill hiding. I would suggest the idea of an apocolyptical event being largely non-partisan. Although TEOTWAWKI (the end of the world as we know it) scenarios are all the rage currently I believe that is due to.....1) The worlds economies being on the verge of collapse. 2) There's also much talk about the threat of EMP (electromagnetic pulse) These can range from solar flares or be human created and in theory wipe out all electronics sending civilization into a 100 year slide back in time. 3) Add to that the Mayan calandar and their 2012 end of time thingy and you can see why it's currently a common topic of conversation.
I would assume the in laws are probably more in the camp of economic collapse where we'll be looking at worse times then the great depression. Store supplies now while you can, it can't hurt.


As a child of the Thatcher/Regan/Mulroney years, i might argue that the "Run to the Hills" mindset actually had it's heyday in the US during the red-scare early 80s. Ever see "Red Dawn"?


You might argue that, but above I'm talking about the reasons for the resurgence in the mind set over the last year and this year in particular
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Post Mon Jan 23, 2012 5:40 pm

NewJerseyRich wrote:You might argue that, but above I'm talking about the reasons for the resurgence in the mind set over the last year and this year in particular


Ok, but i would still make the same argument. What was a widespread, if not quite "mass movement" level of fear & paranoia on the left AND right in the 70s/80s is not the same as a faction of one part of the political spectrum: ie: those who want to "run to the hills" 'cause of Obama represent one slice of the right-wing of America (who - to be fair - have a slice of their spectrum who have run-to-the-hillitus at pretty much all times).

So, say, in the 70s we had the left and liberals who were in fear of nuclear holocaust AND the right and conservatives who were in fear of communist invasion (and possibly nuclear holocaust). Here in the 10s, we have basically the far right in fear of ... what, exactly? A Black president? Paying more tax? Whatever, it's not the same cross-demographic paranoia going on.
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Post Mon Jan 23, 2012 6:09 pm

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NewJerseyRich wrote:You might argue that, but above I'm talking about the reasons for the resurgence in the mind set over the last year and this year in particular


Ok, but i would still make the same argument. What was a widespread, if not quite "mass movement" level of fear & paranoia on the left AND right in the 70s/80s is not the same as a faction of one part of the political spectrum: ie: those who want to "run to the hills" 'cause of Obama represent one slice of the right-wing of America (who - to be fair - have a slice of their spectrum who have run-to-the-hillitus at pretty much all times).

So, say, in the 70s we had the left and liberals who were in fear of nuclear holocaust AND the right and conservatives who were in fear of communist invasion (and possibly nuclear holocaust). Here in the 10s, we have basically the far right in fear of ... what, exactly? A Black president? Paying more tax? Whatever, it's not the same cross-demographic paranoia going on.


It's not that they're afraid of a Black president, it's not even - for most of them, at least - a racial thing at all, though the Fear has certainly raised up some nastiness long hoped buried. But a Black president represents to them a society which has grown and changed beyond their powers of recognition or imagination. They never believed they would see one in their lifetimes, nor did they believe that homosexuality, for example, would become normalised to the point that these people are openly getting married to each other. Equally, they never thought they would have cause to question America's role in the world in terms of economic, political or cultural power. But the world has moved on without them, and will move on without America too. When even their most "moderate" would-be leader [Romney, in his S. Carolina concession speech] feels the need to reassure them that America will lead the world again, you'd better believe he knows these people are scared witless.

The catacylsmic event that triggered all this was the 2008 crash, when even Bush's response marshalled identifiably socialist financial models to bail out the market, and when the 1980s consensus towards unregulated predatory capitalism had demonstrably collapsed, what was their own response, or at least the David Koch response they were content to echo? Ah yes, I remember now. The 2008 crash happened because there was not enough capitalism, not enough deregulation! And at a time when Americans are paying the least tax they've paid since the 1940s, it simply must be true that the problem is they're paying too much tax to that big old Federal government. The Commies have been chased away, Al Quaeda substantially weakened, but America has always needed a foe and, what better foe, at a time the rich are avidly consolidating their preeminence before the barriers go up, what more appropriate foe could there be than a Big Old Federal Gubment lead by an Outsider, a manifestation of Otherness?
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philipchevron wrote:nor did they believe that homosexuality, for example, would become normalised to the point that these people are openly getting married to each other.


I have to tell you, I grew up supporting this, and I didn't believe i would see it in MY lifetime. But the difference is, i SUPPORT it. I want society to move on & change. I know many Americans who supported the idea of a Black president, but likewise assumed it was something they would never see in their lives, and they were through the roof when Obama ran and was subsequently elected. Even I - in my deepest cynicism about Obama & the Democratic party more generally - have to admit it represents a certain progress.

So i would suggest that the fact that a Black man is cock of the block in the USA is a huge problem for a certain set of Americans. Not to disagree with the rest of your argument, but just to leave this bit IN.

It's sort of a hilarious Comedy Central truth where Americans are blaming the the "Big Old Federal Gubment lead by an Outsider" that was really brought to them by the likes of George W. (who is an non-other as you can get) , on behalf of the likes of the rich bastards that many Americans don't hate half as much as they wanna be.
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Post Mon Jan 23, 2012 6:36 pm

OK now that we've all had our dose of loonieness..... I made the comments above as I have noticed a sharp increase in the amount of books and websites discussing scenarios to prepare ones self. Again no political boogiemen from either side, no class warfare, no commie/capitolist battle......

As I stated above, what I perceive the three main worriesome events most of the authors on this topic speek of seem to be (of course easily googled....)

Global fiancial collapse (I think we can all say is a reasonable posiblity)
An EMP event (interesting concept, I'm not convinced of the reality)
Damn Mayan calendar (hogwash)

Again I point out. No politics, no rhetoric, just interesting possibilities for discussion.
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NewJerseyRich wrote:OK now that we've all had our dose of loonieness..... I made the comments above as I have noticed a sharp increase in the amount of books and websites discussing scenarios to prepare ones self. Again no political boogiemen from either side, no class warfare, no commie/capitolist battle......

As I stated above, what I perceive the three main worriesome events most of the authors on this topic speek of seem to be (of course easily googled....)

Global fiancial collapse (I think we can all say is a reasonable posiblity)
An EMP event (interesting concept, I'm not convinced of the reality)
Damn Mayan calendar (hogwash)

Again I point out. No politics, no rhetoric, just interesting possibilities for discussion.


You're right. The revival of such survivalist websites has no political foundation whatsoever. It's just something in the water, I guess. And I bet you'll find a website for that too if you look.
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"And, by the way, I'm in this race because I care about Americans. I'm not concerned about the very poor. We have a safety net there. If it needs repair, I'll fix it. " - Mittens Romney, Feb 1, 2012

This man gives hostages to fortune like other people blow their nose. I suggest the Obama attack dogs take a loooong vacation now.
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philipchevron wrote:"And, by the way, I'm in this race because I care about Americans. I'm not concerned about the very poor. We have a safety net there. If it needs repair, I'll fix it. " - Mittens Romney, Feb 1, 2012

This man gives hostages to fortune like other people blow their nose. I suggest the Obama attack dogs take a loooong vacation now.


Between Gingrich promissing a colony on the moon (with U.S. statehood granted at 13,000 persons) and Romney's comments on the rich & poor... well, let's just say you'd better get used to having Obama around (seriously, do neither of these guys have a PR team screening this shit?!)
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Post Sat Feb 04, 2012 1:38 am

It's long been my belief that NONE of the Republicans even WANT to win this year...most of them are just angling for their own Fox News show.
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O'Blivion wrote:It's long been my belief that NONE of the Republicans even WANT to win this year...most of them are just angling for their own Fox News show.


Mitt and Newt both want it. Newt is delusional enough to think that he is some kind of savior that the country has been salivating for and that the majority of the country thinks like he does and Mitt doesn't think, he just knows that he wants to be President. Both are out of touch egomaniacs.

I wonder if the Republicans even thought it possible that Obama could bring the country back from the brink as quickly as he has and were just planning to sit back and wait for things to get better before they leapt back into the ring to take credit.
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