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Re: Manchester terror attack, 2017

PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 10:17 pm
by Low-ish 4th letter
DzM wrote:In perspective:
2014 gun deaths in the USA: 33,599, Suicide: 21,334, Homicide: 15,809 (Huh. Strange that the two of these add up to more than the total.) ( http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states , but sourced from CDC)
2015 deaths by motor vehicle: 35,092 ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_m ... S._by_year )
Annual Alcohol related deaths in the USA: ~88,000 ( https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohol-healt ... statistics , http://bit.ly/2qWBh5H )
Etc.

Or put another way - there are many ways, and many people, that die every year in the USA. Any of which method/cause outpaces the annual international toll of terrorist attacks. It helps to keep this in perspective.


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Re: Manchester terror attack, 2017

PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 2:44 pm
by Mike from Boston
Low-ish 4th letter wrote:
DzM wrote:In perspective:
2014 gun deaths in the USA: 33,599, Suicide: 21,334, Homicide: 15,809 (Huh. Strange that the two of these add up to more than the total.) ( http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states , but sourced from CDC)
2015 deaths by motor vehicle: 35,092 ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_m ... S._by_year )
Annual Alcohol related deaths in the USA: ~88,000 ( https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohol-healt ... statistics , http://bit.ly/2qWBh5H )
Etc.

Or put another way - there are many ways, and many people, that die every year in the USA. Any of which method/cause outpaces the annual international toll of terrorist attacks. It helps to keep this in perspective.


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How do you figure? If you are a typical middle class person living in the US suburbs (who isn't in a abusive relationship) your odds of getting "randomly" murdered is pretty darn low. There are towns around me that have not had a murder in generations. Now the South Side of Chicago, different story.

I don't worry about being murdered anywhere I go in the US. But I do worry about getting killed by a terrorist-I know DzM, I discussed this perspective with you before, depends on your personal experience. Sean Collier was murdered two blocks from my office by Islamic terrorists.

Anyways, here is a fine clip of Piers Morgan interviewing the Mayor of London.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcQo8C8bwKw

Re: Manchester terror attack, 2017

PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 5:32 pm
by DzM
Mike from Boston wrote:
Low-ish 4th letter wrote:
DzM wrote:Or put another way - there are many ways, and many people, that die every year in the USA. Any of which method/cause outpaces the annual international toll of terrorist attacks. It helps to keep this in perspective.

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How do you figure? If you are a typical middle class person living in the US suburbs (who isn't in a abusive relationship) your odds of getting "randomly" murdered is pretty darn low. There are towns around me that have not had a murder in generations. Now the South Side of Chicago, different story.

I don't worry about being murdered anywhere I go in the US. But I do worry about getting killed by a terrorist-I know DzM, I discussed this perspective with you before, depends on your personal experience. Sean Collier was murdered two blocks from my office by Islamic terrorists.

Yeah, and if you're a typical middle class person living in the US suburbs your odds of being maimed or killed in a terrorist attack are ALSO incredibly low. Be cautious, take reasonable steps to protect yourself, but don't let it rule your life.

I'm really sorry that terrorist attacks (Islamist or otherwise) have put this much fear into you. I'm really sorry that the Boston bombing, carried out by two delusional dickheads, happened so close to you and had such a personal impact. I really sincerely am. I know that no amount of numbers or statistics about relative risk will lessen that impact for you, so I'll just leave it there. I hope that some day you're able to get over this trauma. Good luck, man.

Re: Manchester terror attack, 2017

PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 5:33 pm
by Low D
DzM wrote:2014 gun deaths in the USA: 33,599, Suicide: 21,334, Homicide: 15,809 (Huh. Strange that the two of these add up to more than the total.) ( http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states , but sourced from CDC)


Thought this might be a good time to mention:

JORDAN KLEPPER SOLVES GUNS
A Disarming Special Premieres Sunday June 11 at 10/9c
http://www.cc.com/shows/jordan-klepper-solves-guns