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The Next President of the United States

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Re: The Next President of the United States

Post Wed Mar 29, 2017 4:58 pm

NewJerseyRich wrote:Many Dr's don't accept Obamacare as payment. The cost has skyrocketed.

This is a claim that I've heard many times and don't understand. What, exactly, do you mean by it? "Obamacare" itself isn't a payment system. It mandates that everyone have insurance, it mandates a minimum set of coverage for those plans, etc. But it doesn't directly pay doctors or hospitals. At least not that I know of. When you say "doctors don't accept Obamacare as payment," what exactly do you mean?

Also, what do you mean by "costs have skyrocketed"? Are you talking about co-pays? Premiums? The cost of actual procedures? If you're talking about premiums, then yeah, some state costs have gone up rapidly. Other states haven't. California, for example, has gone up 5% (from $245/mo to $258/mo before tax credit, and from $208/mo to $207/mo after tax credit) for a 40-year-old non-smoker on a "Silver Premium" plan. And worst case? That's Phoenix AZ that has gone from $207/mo to $504/mo (a 145% increase), but which gets normalized to $207/mo (and is the same as last year) with the tax credit. [ http://kff.org/health-reform/issue-brie ... ketplaces/ ]

Anyway - I agree that the ACA is in desperate need of an overhaul since it mostly is a big wet kiss on the lips for insurance companies and does almost nothing to control the actual cost of medical care. A comprehensive overhaul of the US healthcare industry including pharmaceuticals, health care providers, insurance, etc is needed and until it happens "healthcare" as an industry is going to simply continue escalating in cost and consume more and more of our GDP. That "medical tourism" is increasingly a thing (the act of visiting a foreign country to get more affordable medical procedures than can be had here) is a GREAT sign that things are screwed. The ACA (and certainly not the AHCA) does nothing to fix this.
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Post Sat Apr 01, 2017 5:45 pm

Sorry Gents ironically I was actually in the hospital for a few days right after my last post.

Bossman, This is supposed to be available healthcare for those that can't afford healthcare. When looking at the whole picture the numbers you post are interesting in that the median increase is around 40-50% Can people that can't afford healthcare sustain 40% annual increases?

Not to mention how those that receive employer healthcare benefits decrease while costs have continuously gone up since Obamacare implementation. Some deductibles are so outrageous you're left with nothing but catastrophic coverage. Not a problem IF that's the coverage you seek but a major issue if you're used to a different level of care.
Add to that the number of jobs that have sunk to less then full time so companies can avoid offering healthcare thereby forcing people now making less money to purchase Obamacare that is increasing exponentially is what I mean by skyrocketing costs. Also Dr's can choose which insurance they accept or not. Many do not accept the pennies they're paid from these plans.
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Post Sat Apr 01, 2017 8:30 pm

njr wrote:(Paraphrasing): The current private insurance model of healthcare in the United States is Broken and the ACA does little to fix the underlying problems

I agree. And the AHCA would do nothing to fix the crap-show that is the medical insurance market in the USofA under the ACA. But the ACA is an improvement over what we had before.

Employer-Insurance, Medicare, MediCaid, the Marketplaces - these are various attempts at helping normal people pay the ridiculously high treatment costs. Do something to fix the cost of delivery. Stop screwing around with the shell game of "access to insurance." Start figuring out a real solution for "access to healthcare." May I suggest something that is working well in many places on the planet? Single Payer with optional Supplemental Private Insurance.
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Post Sun Apr 02, 2017 12:36 pm

We agree on a broken system. We just disagree on how to fix it.
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Post Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:50 am

Why do you think DzM's proposed solution isn't the way to go? I ask because I live in a Country with that kind of system in place, and I'm quite happy with it.
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Post Mon Apr 03, 2017 3:51 pm

left wrote:Why do you think DzM's proposed solution isn't the way to go? I ask because I live in a Country with that kind of system in place, and I'm quite happy with it.

I'll paraphrase AND put words in NJR's mouth:

FakeNJR wrote:Freedom! Liberty! The healthy pay for the sick! Freeloaders! Taxes! I heard that there was this one time that someone had to wait a long time to get an appointment! And there was this other time that someone was denied care by The System, a thing that NEVER HAPPENS with the private insurance system in the USofA! With a single-payer system the patient can't choose what doctor to go to and instead has to just take what the government makes available at the local inadequately funded clinic! When the only medical providers are paid for by the government, then the government can take them away (after all, what the Government Gives the Government can Take).


NJR, did I miss any major straw-man arguments?
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Post Mon Apr 03, 2017 9:07 pm

DzM wrote:NJR, did I miss any major straw-man arguments?


I understand the failed TrumpCare plan included more than sixty pages regarding contingencies and policies for somebody on subsidy who wins the lottery. So... presumably that's been a huge problem?

(No really, that's not a joke: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/ ... icaid.html )
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Post Thu Apr 06, 2017 11:46 am

So...Steve Bannon..somone explain what just happened there.
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Post Thu Apr 06, 2017 5:56 pm

old barney greyheron wrote:So...Steve Bannon..somone explain what just happened there.


I don't think we really know much other than Trump's White House is a complete mess. The working theory is that Bannon represents the alt-right faction of hard right white nationalists and has had a big hand in sculpting Trump's policy. It seems that Bannon has had a lot to do with many of the policy decisions that Trump has put out so far like the unconstitutional Muslim ban and his decision to rush a massively unpopular health care plan to a defeat in the House of Representatives. One wonders if Bannon isn't also behind feeding Trump the lie about Obama wire-tappping him that Trump and shill news organizations have been failing to justify for almost two weeks now.

Another faction seems to be led by wunder-kind Jared Kushner who is a 36 year old over-leveraged New York real estate heir who is the husband of Trump's daughter Ivanka. Being a young real estate mogul who was last year on the verge of losing a hugely expensive piece of Manhattan, Trump has decided to put Kushner in charge of the Middle East, China, and I think trade policy. For now it seems that the more sane yet largely incapable nepotism wing of the White House is in ascendancy. Which is generally good news in that while that wing is generally assumed to be completely corrupt and generally unqualified for their jobs, they aren't as consumed with as much hate as people like Bannon and Gorka.
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Post Thu Apr 06, 2017 7:15 pm

Welp, it appears that the venal and craven nepotism side of things is gaining ground while the fuck-it-all,-burn-everything-to-the-ground side is losing some.

"Yay?"

At least we know what to expect out of run-of-the-mill corruption and money-grabbing. This is slightly less scary than the unknown that comes from a complete destruction of feeble infrastructure that our world runs on.
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Post Thu Apr 06, 2017 7:59 pm

Sportin' Life wrote: Being a young real estate mogul who was last year on the verge of losing a hugely expensive piece of Manhattan, Trump has decided to put Kushner in charge of the Middle East, China, and I think trade policy.


And let's not forget he's also heading the "Office of American Innovation", because I guess peace in the Middle East is just his side hustle.

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Post Fri Apr 07, 2017 4:33 pm

So, now the US/Trump bomb Syria as "punishment" for the Chemical attack. Syria and their main supporter Russia are pissed. What's next? My initial reaction is that Trump has just done a complete 180 on US involvement with Syria. So much for him being "owned" by Russia. Now what? My gut tells me Assad isn't going anywhere-he saw what happened to Khadafy and Sadaam, so he isn't going to give up power. The Russians are backing him 100%. I don't think King Solomon can figure this one out..
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Post Fri Apr 07, 2017 4:42 pm

NewJerseyRich wrote:Sorry Gents ironically I was actually in the hospital for a few days right after my last post. .

How are you doing, Rich? everything okay?
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Post Fri Apr 07, 2017 9:38 pm

old barney greyheron wrote:So...Steve Bannon..somone explain what just happened there.


Bannon was never going to be a long term advisor from the start. He was a transition advisor and planned on moving out anytime after the honeymoon period.
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Post Fri Apr 07, 2017 9:43 pm

kmurray105 wrote:
NewJerseyRich wrote:Sorry Gents ironically I was actually in the hospital for a few days right after my last post. .

How are you doing, Rich? everything okay?


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