The Next President of the United States

[Sportin' Life]

It is a fact that Trump's campaign manager was on the payroll of pro Russian Ukrainian politicians, but that I guess is just normal. Trump said there were no connections but yet we see more and more all the time. Flynn lied about connections to Russia, Sessions lied about connections to Russia, but yeah sure that is normal.

Here is a chart: http://www.vox.com/mischiefs-of-faction ... ork-mapped

But actually, no I am done with you. None of it could possibly matter to you. You love your party more than your country, and are exactly why this country will fail. And Trump is failing bigly.

[NewJerseyRich]

Just shows what you know about me. I don't stand for a party. But you may like to look at these since you seem to think only one team can be involved with Russians

Politifact here won't even put the story on their "truth meter" which is usually just a Libomatic meter.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/dec/18/russia-love-was-trump-campaign-touch-foreign-gover/

But you might be interested to know (Since you won't hear it on the anti-Trump talking heads shows) ....
http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/21/exclusive-podesta-was-board-member-of-firm-linked-to-russian-investors/

And of course there's ...
https://shadowproof.com/2017/03/15/hillary-clinton-campaign-connected-russian-government/

[Low D]

Well, changing the topic somewhat... so much for the much vaulted repeal of the Affordable Care Act. What an embarrassment, having to pull the bill minutes before the vote. Once again, well covered by the liberal pinkos at Business Insider, my new favourite publication:

The Republican healthcare plan just failed because Trump is bad at making deals
http://www.businessinsider.com/republican-healthcare-plan-trump-deals-2017-3

[NewJerseyRich]

Well, changing the topic somewhat... so much for the much vaulted repeal of the Affordable Care Act. What an embarrassment, having to pull the bill minutes before the vote. Once again, well covered by the liberal pinkos at Business Insider, my new favourite publication:

The Republican healthcare plan just failed because Trump is bad at making deals
http://www.businessinsider.com/republican-healthcare-plan-trump-deals-2017-3

Trump is not responsible for this bill. Trump didn't have a hand in writing it and it didn't add any of the changes that he promised in his campaign.
Congressional R's have had 7 years to get this right. They produced a lame Obama-lite response no one agreed on. That is why it failed.

[langer]

Interesting read:

Mortality and morbidity in the 21st century

https://www.brookings.edu/bpea-articles ... t-century/

https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/up ... deaton.pdf

[Low D]

Trump is not responsible for this bill. Trump didn't have a hand in writing it and it didn't add any of the changes that he promised in his campaign.
Congressional R's have had 7 years to get this right. They produced a lame Obama-lite response no one agreed on. That is why it failed.

So..... The fact that Congressional Rs have spent 7 years opposing the Affordable Care Act, and Trump campaigned on repealing it, and that repeal was voted down by his own party (or would been had they not pulled it)is NOT a significant blunder? Makes me wonder what a blunder WOULD be.

Also, of COURSE Trump didn't write the bill*, that idiot couldn't write a birthday card. But he endorsed it, pushed it, and failed to sell it, so it's on him.

*"Who knew health insurance was so complicated?". Er... Everybody but you?

[NewJerseyRich]

It's on Paul Ryan. He had the bill. He told the Prez he could get it passes so let's "do this next". The bill didn't contain any of Trumps campaign promises. Lower rates, lower prescriptions, Insurance Co offering policies across state lines. None of it. Congressmen were asked to pass this round and an additional bill #2 and #3 would have those key items in them. Ends up they didn't trust Ryan to keep his word.

[Low D]

Yes, the bill didn't contain those things because his promises we're obviously impossible to fulfill while keeping Republican-donating private insurance companies happy. He made a bunch of promises but had no bill.

But again, he's described "Obamacare" as "imploding", and then gone on to say it will soon "explode", so.....

[NewJerseyRich]

Yes, the bill didn't contain those things because his promises we're obviously impossible to fulfill while keeping Republican-donating private insurance companies happy. He made a bunch of promises but had no bill.

But again, he's described "Obamacare" as "imploding", and then gone on to say it will soon "explode", so.....

Hardly impossible. Actually fairly easy to fulfill. All I can say is wait and see. He has 4 years.

[Low D]

Yes, the bill didn't contain those things because his promises we're obviously impossible to fulfill while keeping Republican-donating private insurance companies happy. He made a bunch of promises but had no bill.

But again, he's described "Obamacare" as "imploding", and then gone on to say it will soon "explode", so.....

Hardly impossible. Actually fairly easy to fulfill. All I can say is wait and see. He has 4 years.

A few of the promises: Insurance for everybody, no cuts to medicaid, no one will lose coverage, nobody will be worse of financially, get rid of artificial lines (ie: state boundaries), everybody will be covered (and, oh yes, "THE BEST health care").

Easy to fulfill? Well, i'm not sure i'd say EASY, but possible, yes. Easy to fulfill with approval of a Republican congress (and quite frankly more than a few democrats) who have the ear of the American health insurance industry? Not so much. Americans actually pay more for health insurance than just about anybody, and get less of it (and - for many at least - of poorer quality). Because private insurance is, naturally, after making a profit, as big a profit as possible. But don't listen to me, listen to those pinkos over at Forbes: https://www.forbes.com/sites/danmunro/2 ... f23901576f

Suck it up America! Time to move to single-payer*. For that matter, how about a national plan for everybody that includes dental and prescription coverage (things we still don't have here in Canada. What the hell use is a free doctor visit if you can't afford antibiotics? And how the hell is my jaw covered but not my teeth?!)


*Although Forbes helpfully also explained to me that single-payer is not at all the only model for universal health coverage:https://www.forbes.com/sites/danmunro/2013/12/08/universal-coverage-is-not-single-payer-healthcare/#15bbbfbe36ee

[NewJerseyRich]

The articles you posted are from 2014 and 2013 respectively. During the mid point in Obamacare and the Obama presidency. The articles are taking shots, during it's peak, at Obamacare and the direction they want it to go. Even though most Americans do not want single payer healthcare.

The facts remain the entire Obama system is built on lies. It's built as another pyramid scheme on young healthy people paying (and not using healthcare) so that older more likely to use people are paid for. People did not get to keep their Dr. Many Dr's don't accept Obamacare as payment. The cost has skyrocketed. All because of Obamas plan. I know you're trying to make an analogy but antibiotics are some of the least expensive meds on the market.
It's funny how those with the govt care never mention their wait times for simple diagnostic tests or to even see a Dr. much less a surgery. Also never mentioned is what those citizens pay in taxes for their so called free system.
if you're saying "your plan sucks" according to the chart we're right behind Canada.

[Sportin' Life]

Lol @ easy to fulfill. His first attempt would have kicked 24 million Americans off insurance. Oh-- and btw, insurance is exactly that -- a scheme whereby healthy people subsidize sick people. Your argument against Obamacare is basically an argument against insurance.

Anyways, it is clear Trump has no plan to get anything through Congress and is in way over his head. Do you remember people like ...oh I don't know who.... complaining that Obama was too inexperienced to understand how to be President? That was funny. Now Judge Jenine goes on Fox and throws Ryan under the bus for Trump because he is too cowardly to do it himself and excuses Trump for being a businessman who can't be expected to understand how to push legislation through.

Oh and Nunes was full of crap and bluster. There is still absolutely no evidence that Obama tapped Trump. But Trump did manage to change the subject from his racist Attorney General lying under oath to Congress about meeting with the Russian Ambassador, so there is that.

[Low D]

The articles you posted are from 2014 and 2013 respectively. During the mid point in Obamacare and the Obama presidency. The articles are taking shots, during it's peak, at Obamacare and the direction they want it to go. Even though most Americans do not want single payer healthcare.

Don't kid yourself, Americans were paying more for an receiving less health care LONG before Obama. And yes, while the Affordable Care Act extended health coverage to tens of millions of Americans previously without coverage, i would be happy to level any number of criticisms at it (although i feel that's been covered, mostly by congress, after 7 years, so i won't). The point here is that you Americans are being SCREWED OVER by private companies, and you suffer terribly for it. You were before Obama, and you certainly will be under Trump. There are many different models, and what that chart shows you is that ANY of them are better than what you currently have, and ANY of them are better than what you had before the Affordable Care Act. It's not about Obama vs. Trump, it's about Americans spending too much money and dying needlessly. To accept last place on that list out of spiteful ideology, and not demand something better, is very strange indeed.

The facts remain the entire Obama system is built on lies. It's built as another pyramid scheme on young healthy people paying (and not using healthcare) so that older more likely to use people are paid for.

As already mentioned, you are simply describing what insurance is. Or, for that matter, society. Why pay taxes to a fire department when YOUR house has never burnt down? (Also, tell that to my daughter's friend who had leukemia at age 3, to my friend who died of cancer at age 37, or my spouse who has glaucoma at age 40).

People did not get to keep their Dr. Many Dr's don't accept Obamacare as payment. The cost has skyrocketed. All because of Obamas plan.

Again, i'm not making a pro-Affordable Care Act argument, i'm making an argument for something BETTER, rather than the worse plan that your President Orangutang is attempting to deliver.

I know you're trying to make an analogy but antibiotics are some of the least expensive meds on the market.

Fine. How about asthma medication? How about cancer drugs? Sorry i didn't list all the possible options. Shall I do that now, or would you accept that the concept of health care is difficult to deliver without access to medication?

It's funny how those with the govt care never mention their wait times for simple diagnostic tests or to even see a Dr. much less a surgery. Also never mentioned is what those citizens pay in taxes for their so called free system.
if you're saying "your plan sucks" according to the chart we're right behind Canada.

Yes well i agree, ours should be a helluva lot better, and it drives me nuts that many Canadians look south to see how much better we are doing than you folks, when there are many better societies to aspire to (a thing not limited to health care delivery, trust me).

I would never call our system free, in the same way that the fire department, or your very large military, are not free. Everybody in Vancouver pays property taxes (yes, even renters pay this through their rent), which supports the school board, whether or not they have children. Again, NJR, we are living in a society. The conversation Americans should be having is not "Is Obamacare [sic] the best system, Trump told me his will be THE BEST", but should rather open with "Do we, as a society, want Universal Coverage?", followed by "What is the most efficient way to deliver this service?" Again, referring to that chart, this can be done as a public undertaking, a legislated but privately delivered services, or any number of hybrids. To accept last place on that list out of spiteful ideology, and not demand something better, is very strange indeed.

[Low D]

People did not get to keep their Dr. Many Dr's don't accept Obamacare as payment.

This is one of the most often mentioned criticisms of the Affordable Care Act. I find it interesting, because i know many US citizens end up on an HMO which dictates what doctor you can or can't see (and from the practitioners' side, clinics that only treat patients from such-and-such HMOs). This is a phenomenon i had heard about from my American friends LONG before Barry hit the White House, and it's the result of the piecemeal private system that exists in the US. It's not actually the fault of POTUS 44, except in how he did not change the system ENOUGH to accommodate universal coverage, because he was forced to compromise "big-ly" (did i spell that right?) in order to get his bill through.

I would criticize those comprises, although again, it's been done. I will say, however, that those (to me, at least) distasteful compromises eventually allowed him to ACTUALLY PASS the Affordable Care Act, as he was at least a man who understood how the process of governance worked, which is more than i can say for your current, and first ever Orange, president.

[freecare4all]