The Next President of the United States

[DzM]

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37889032

a few numbers .... Number of states won:
Trump: 30
Clinton: 20
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Trump: +10

Square miles of land does not equal a democracy. States don't get votes based on how many square miles they contain.

Number of electoral votes won:
Trump: 306
Clinton: 232
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Trump: + 68

As discussed previously, the Electoral College is bullshit. It was put into place to allow less populous states to still "matter" (along with the "slave are worth 3/5 of a person when determining a state's population for congressional representation" bullshit). The EC means that a vote in North Dakota is worth more than a vote in California or Texas. This is counter to what a democracy is supposed to be.

Ave. margin of victory in winning states:
Trump: 56%
Clinton: 53.5%
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Trump: + 2.5 points

OK.

Popular vote total:
Trump: 62,958,211
Clinton: 65,818,318
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Clinton: + 2.8 million

~66m > ~63m. That is how a democracy works.

Popular vote total outside California:
Trump: 58,474,401
Clinton: 57,064,530
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Trump: + 1.4 million

So ... Exclude a large population and the results are different? Shocking.

Nothing you've said here counters what I said though. I said that ~20-25% of the US population supports this incompetent and his pack of venal raiders. ~20-25% pretty much opposes him and everything he stands for. And ~50% of the population couldn't be bothered to vote and therefore goes in the "indifferent" bucket.

The USofA currently has 318m citizens. By the numbers you quote above only ~140m bothered to vote at all. That means that 178m people don't have a particularly strong opinion, AND that the ~20% that voted for this certainly didn't give a mandate.

[Frances]

Suck it up buttercup.

You just spew out what you see on Fox News.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/16/suck-it-up-lawmaker-wants-to-cut-funding-for-schools-coddling-students-over-trump.html


LOL
http://www.cbc.ca/radio/popup/audio/listen.html?autoPlay=true&clipIds=&mediaIds=2697755084&contentarea=radio&subsection1=radio1&subsection2=currentaffairs&subsection3=as_it_happens&contenttype=audio&title=2016/11/16/1.3853530-suck-it-up-buttercup-lawmaker-hangs-up-on-as-it-happens&contentid=1.3853530

[Heather]

I'm no fan of Trump, never have been, never will be, always found him a bit creepy to be honest, but ever since I started out as a Journalist (although not a Political Journalist), I've developed an interest in people that I wouldn't normally give the time of day to and have started reading, and taking note of different points of view from them and their opposition (which everyone should do really, but not many people do).

I don't know an awful lot about American politics, but recently I borrowed Trump's 2015 book, Crippled: How To Make America Great Again, from my local library, purely out of curiosity, and he actually came up with some very good points, which I must stress here that I don't necessarily agree with, but I can see where he's going.

I can't see him as a racist (he's married to a 'foreigner' for a start, so why would he be?), and I can't see him being the next Hitler either, and I think the media on both sides are just as bad as each other. They're good at spinning yarns, they do it, and always have done it, purely to get people wound up, and this really angers me.

Yes, I know Trump's done some pretty awful things already, but I'm prepared to give him a chance like all the other President's that have gone before and see how he goes before I start giving my opinion on internet forums or social media.

[firehazard]

Facts are facts.

Except when they're the "alternative facts" that your people seem to like, of course.

[Pogues to Niagara]

Heather....you're the voice of reason!
Too many people are polar opposites and refuse to find a common ground.
Much like I did with Obama, I'm hoping Trump can get it right. Living so close to the border, I have a soft spot for Americans.

[DzM]

Rather than find common ground we can also just try to amuse ourselves while the world burns.

Paddy Power is making odds on various outcomes of the Trump Administration:

http://www.paddypower.com/bet/politics/ ... ds=3015199

[Pogues to Niagara]

7/1 Trump to legalize waterboarding?
I want some of that action!


....not actually being tortured

[Sportin' Life]

Time will tell.

This was regarding the Trump lie about Obama phone tapp. Just to keep which blatant lie we are talking about.


http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/s ... 8?cmpid=sf

[langer]

When not working in Washington Mr. Trump resides on the 68th floor of a 58 storey building in NYC.

This is what his living room looks like:
http://archpaper.com/wp-content/uploads ... 46-106.jpg

This is the living room used for a family constellation:
http://staging.snopes.com/app/uploads/2 ... rtrait.jpg

Noticed the different backgrounds ?

First picture is showing a building in the rear.
Second picture - same angle - shows whom of the voters of the USofA have elected and the world below.

Building in the rear has vanished.

You tell me what the facts are ...

From a different angle the "vanished building" in the rear even seems to be taller than the Trump Tower:
http://cdn-image.travelandleisure.com/s ... SE1116.jpg

P.S.
This one shows that the times are a changin. Apart from the fact where a woman has her place.
http://toc.h-cdn.co/assets/15/31/980x49 ... ivanka.jpg

[Frances]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKS7i3JyFBY#t=37

[NewJerseyRich]

Nothing you've said here counters what I said though. I said that ~20-25% of the US population supports this incompetent and his pack of venal raiders. ~20-25% pretty much opposes him and everything he stands for. And ~50% of the population couldn't be bothered to vote and therefore goes in the "indifferent" bucket.

The USofA currently has 318m citizens. By the numbers you quote above only ~140m bothered to vote at all. That means that 178m people don't have a particularly strong opinion, AND that the ~20% that voted for this certainly didn't give a mandate.

Agree with your last points. Can't agree with you on the Electoral College. As you said "Square miles of land isn't democracy." Cali gets 55 electoral votes so a candidate has to make those up somewhere else basically having to win 3-4 or 10 states to over come this deficit. North Dakota votes are not more valuable to Cali as they're based on population. They have a paltry 3 electoral votes. If land mass were the barometer Alaska as well wouldn't have 3 electoral votes. Your recollection of the 3/5th rule is a little off. IF they counted slaves as a full person the states power would have shifted base on the very thing you're railing for...population. The South at that time would have had greater representation and likely over taken the Govt. It was a compromise. They decided Democracy is not a majority rule, popularity contest. If that were the case Kim Kardashian might be president. Every state had to have a vested interest in who would run the country or larger population states would have all the power in determining that. Same reason we have a Congress and a Senate.

[NewJerseyRich]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKS7i3JyFBY#t=37

Isn't it a shame they always have to try to include LEGAL immigrants to cloud the issue? A population that has nothing to do with the illegal issue.

[NewJerseyRich]

When not working in Washington Mr. Trump resides on the 68th floor of a 58 storey building in NYC.

This is what his living room looks like:
http://archpaper.com/wp-content/uploads ... 46-106.jpg

This is the living room used for a family constellation:
http://staging.snopes.com/app/uploads/2 ... rtrait.jpg

Noticed the different backgrounds ?

First picture is showing a building in the rear.
Second picture - same angle - shows whom of the voters of the USofA have elected and the world below.

Building in the rear has vanished.

You tell me what the facts are ...

From a different angle the "vanished building" in the rear even seems to be taller than the Trump Tower:
http://cdn-image.travelandleisure.com/s ... SE1116.jpg

P.S.
This one shows that the times are a changin. Apart from the fact where a woman has her place.
http://toc.h-cdn.co/assets/15/31/980x49 ... ivanka.jpg

Soooo either 1 of two things is going on here. A rich guy has building air brushed from photos. Or rich guy buys building and demos it for a new building? Either case means nothing. Nondescript buildings go up and down every day in NYC.

[NewJerseyRich]

Time will tell.

This was regarding the Trump lie about Obama phone tapp. Just to keep which blatant lie we are talking about.


http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/s ... 8?cmpid=sf

The story's not over yet as the investigation is on going.....

[NewJerseyRich]

Rather than find common ground we can also just try to amuse ourselves while the world burns.

Paddy Power is making odds on various outcomes of the Trump Administration:

http://www.paddypower.com/bet/politics/ ... ds=3015199

Let's buck the trend and find common ground bossman, meanwhile lets drop our bucks on the "Donald not resigning" and clean up.