The Saga of Irish Rover And The Crew(censorshoipped edition)

[DzM]

Can we please have a moratorium on this exchange now? Or continue it in PM. At this stage, there is nothing to be gained from landing blows in front of a less-than-enthralled audience.

Hallelujah.

[CraigBatty]

Can we please have a moratorium on this exchange now? Or continue it in PM. At this stage, there is nothing to be gained from landing blows in front of a less-than-enthralled audience.

Hallelujah.

Agreed. Sad. Vilified. Gone.

[firehazard]

Can we please have a moratorium on this exchange now? Or continue it in PM. At this stage, there is nothing to be gained from landing blows in front of a less-than-enthralled audience.

Hallelujah.

Agreed. Sad. Vilified. Gone.

Resignation loses effect with repetition. Move on. Please.

[Ingrid PRS]

Craig, could you please email me?

[Please Dont come to ireland]

I want to remind everyone that Oirish was only insulting after Ingrid said she would ban him for writing with OI's which she hated, and a handful of others on PRS.

exactly ! and by Loird, ye were there Jenny, she doidn't just hate the way oi wroite, O & I; asoide the fact that she banned freedoim of loive expression, whoich nazois do, oi was alywas sayoin' that, there were also several posts oinsultoin' me natoinal feeloings doirectly.. but who goives a feck aboiut natoinal feeloings of thois paddy oin chaoins, roight, oim noit a manager presentoin' meself as soime koind of authoiroity between Shane, Pogues and peoiple who actually understand the musoic, so walkoin' oiver me & me feeloings ois noit just beeoin' toilerated, tois' moire than welcoime, boirn oin soin coime on oin & spoit oin oiroish the furthest ye can ! as oi saoid befoire, and oit stoill happens here, looik just a few loines beloiw me post and ye'll foind oinsults that woill never be deleted; why ? cause of the doiuble standards, cause of roitten manageroial ointerest oir whatever, oi doin't even care what the very reasoins are, plaoin truth ois noit everyoine ois blessed woith same koind of treatment, soime can oinsult to the coire and get away woith oit, whoile oithers are crusoifoied foir a soingle woird; doisgrace !

Craig was insultive when he had his 'breakdown' last week. He insulted me about the CD issue, but that is forgotten. I don't want to hold a grudge, he explained himself etc, I can let it go, but I didn't see anyone come to my aid and say hey that was pretty mean to say that about Jenny. WHY is not OIrish forgiven for having a 'breakdown'. WHY? He said far less than Craig. Craig lashed out at OIrish in a spiteful rage just because Oirish was having a complaint about his life. Craig ranted about his own life, doing exactly what OIrish did but wasn't condemned. Craig is gushed over and forgiven but Oirish not.

tois' noit foirgoitten Jenny, oi never foirgoit, never foirgave the oinsults, never foirgave stabboin' me oiwn and oither peoiple's back, theres no woirse example oif humanoity goine wroing; ye knoiw hoiw oi feel;

I cannot understand the small mindedness about this issue, I never have been able to. It sticks in my guts like a festering sore. Please guys, let's be tolerant. Please treasure those who are different. Look after them and be there for them, they are usually more fragile than most. They are also the spice of life.

oi cannoit understand eoither, never coiuld, never woill, and oit never faoils to surproise me, the ways that broing oin noithoin' but hate & moisery; and treasuroin' the doifference, exactly, oi thoiught that was, ois, shoiuld be loike a default here ! woish all were treasuroin' oinstead of shooitoin' and spoittoin' at the very foirst soight of the doifference they doin't understand;

Can i just say, as an Irishman, that if you ever come to Ireland, that I will be the first person to tell you to get to f**k. You have ignored all appeals by Irish people who have pleaded with you to stop rantin in your so called Irish brogue, and to stop associating yourself as another Paddy in Chains. Just because Mr Chevron has had your back here for a time (and I'm guessing that his support is waning fast given your recent behaviour), you feel that you are invincible. As an Irishman, I dont want your racist type here in MY country. Even moderate criticism of your recordings on your website are greeted with isults and abuse. It's a shame you found Shane and not someone like Nena and her red baloons instead. YOU DON'T GET IT. YOU ARE, AND HAVE BEEN FOR SOME TIME INSULTING MY COUNTRY WITH YOUR FAKE PADDYWACKERY.

YOU ARE NOT WELCOME, NOW PLEASE, STOP USING MY COUNTRY AND IT'S HERITAGE, (YOU PRIZE TOOL!)

[Double Standards]

I want to remind everyone that Oirish was only insulting after Ingrid said she would ban him for writing with OI's which she hated, and a handful of others on PRS.

exactly ! and by Loird, ye were there Jenny, she doidn't just hate the way oi wroite, O & I; asoide the fact that she banned freedoim of loive expression, whoich nazois do, oi was alywas sayoin' that, there were also several posts oinsultoin' me natoinal feeloings doirectly.. but who goives a feck aboiut natoinal feeloings of thois paddy oin chaoins, roight, oim noit a manager presentoin' meself as soime koind of authoiroity between Shane, Pogues and peoiple who actually understand the musoic, so walkoin' oiver me & me feeloings ois noit just beeoin' toilerated, tois' moire than welcoime, boirn oin soin coime on oin & spoit oin oiroish the furthest ye can ! as oi saoid befoire, and oit stoill happens here, looik just a few loines beloiw me post and ye'll foind oinsults that woill never be deleted; why ? cause of the doiuble standards, cause of roitten manageroial ointerest oir whatever, oi doin't even care what the very reasoins are, plaoin truth ois noit everyoine ois blessed woith same koind of treatment, soime can oinsult to the coire and get away woith oit, whoile oithers are crusoifoied foir a soingle woird; doisgrace !

Craig was insultive when he had his 'breakdown' last week. He insulted me about the CD issue, but that is forgotten. I don't want to hold a grudge, he explained himself etc, I can let it go, but I didn't see anyone come to my aid and say hey that was pretty mean to say that about Jenny. WHY is not OIrish forgiven for having a 'breakdown'. WHY? He said far less than Craig. Craig lashed out at OIrish in a spiteful rage just because Oirish was having a complaint about his life. Craig ranted about his own life, doing exactly what OIrish did but wasn't condemned. Craig is gushed over and forgiven but Oirish not.

tois' noit foirgoitten Jenny, oi never foirgoit, never foirgave the oinsults, never foirgave stabboin' me oiwn and oither peoiple's back, theres no woirse example oif humanoity goine wroing; ye knoiw hoiw oi feel;

I cannot understand the small mindedness about this issue, I never have been able to. It sticks in my guts like a festering sore. Please guys, let's be tolerant. Please treasure those who are different. Look after them and be there for them, they are usually more fragile than most. They are also the spice of life.

oi cannoit understand eoither, never coiuld, never woill, and oit never faoils to surproise me, the ways that broing oin noithoin' but hate & moisery; and treasuroin' the doifference, exactly, oi thoiught that was, ois, shoiuld be loike a default here ! woish all were treasuroin' oinstead of shooitoin' and spoittoin' at the very foirst soight of the doifference they doin't understand;

Hey Oirsh,

I posted a message on your guest book yesterday, and all of a sudden it is gone. Why is this, prey tell. Please don't tell me it is censiorshoip? You obviously made a mistake and deleted it in error, because there is no way I would put you down as a manageoiriol whiore.
sO WHY DID YOU DELETE MY POST??? Well? It was constructive critism, censored no less!

That would put you in the same category as mc currency et all.Not after all you have said here and what you staiond for! so i invite everyone to post on Rovers guestbook and just to prove that he practises what he preaches..no posts will be censored. feel free to keep a screenshot of your posts just in case.

post here..to show him how much you love him

http://users4.smartgb.com/g/g.php?a=s&i=g41-01015-18

[me again]

I want to remind everyone that Oirish was only insulting after Ingrid said she would ban him for writing with OI's which she hated, and a handful of others on PRS.

exactly ! and by Loird, ye were there Jenny, she doidn't just hate the way oi wroite, O & I; asoide the fact that she banned freedoim of loive expression, whoich nazois do, oi was alywas sayoin' that, there were also several posts oinsultoin' me natoinal feeloings doirectly.. but who goives a feck aboiut natoinal feeloings of thois paddy oin chaoins, roight, oim noit a manager presentoin' meself as soime koind of authoiroity between Shane, Pogues and peoiple who actually understand the musoic, so walkoin' oiver me & me feeloings ois noit just beeoin' toilerated, tois' moire than welcoime, boirn oin soin coime on oin & spoit oin oiroish the furthest ye can ! as oi saoid befoire, and oit stoill happens here, looik just a few loines beloiw me post and ye'll foind oinsults that woill never be deleted; why ? cause of the doiuble standards, cause of roitten manageroial ointerest oir whatever, oi doin't even care what the very reasoins are, plaoin truth ois noit everyoine ois blessed woith same koind of treatment, soime can oinsult to the coire and get away woith oit, whoile oithers are crusoifoied foir a soingle woird; doisgrace !

Craig was insultive when he had his 'breakdown' last week. He insulted me about the CD issue, but that is forgotten. I don't want to hold a grudge, he explained himself etc, I can let it go, but I didn't see anyone come to my aid and say hey that was pretty mean to say that about Jenny. WHY is not OIrish forgiven for having a 'breakdown'. WHY? He said far less than Craig. Craig lashed out at OIrish in a spiteful rage just because Oirish was having a complaint about his life. Craig ranted about his own life, doing exactly what OIrish did but wasn't condemned. Craig is gushed over and forgiven but Oirish not.

tois' noit foirgoitten Jenny, oi never foirgoit, never foirgave the oinsults, never foirgave stabboin' me oiwn and oither peoiple's back, theres no woirse example oif humanoity goine wroing; ye knoiw hoiw oi feel;

I cannot understand the small mindedness about this issue, I never have been able to. It sticks in my guts like a festering sore. Please guys, let's be tolerant. Please treasure those who are different. Look after them and be there for them, they are usually more fragile than most. They are also the spice of life.

oi cannoit understand eoither, never coiuld, never woill, and oit never faoils to surproise me, the ways that broing oin noithoin' but hate & moisery; and treasuroin' the doifference, exactly, oi thoiught that was, ois, shoiuld be loike a default here ! woish all were treasuroin' oinstead of shooitoin' and spoittoin' at the very foirst soight of the doifference they doin't understand;

Hey Oirsh,

I posted a message on your guest book yesterday, and all of a sudden it is gone. Why is this, prey tell. Please don't tell me it is censiorshoip? You obviously made a mistake and deleted it in error, because there is no way I would put you down as a manageoiriol whiore.
sO WHY DID YOU DELETE MY POST??? Well? It was constructive critism, censored no less!

That would put you in the same category as mc currency et all.Not after all you have said here and what you staiond for! so i invite everyone to post on Rovers guestbook and just to prove that he practises what he preaches..no posts will be censored. feel free to keep a screenshot of your posts just in case.

post here..to show him how much you love him

http://users4.smartgb.com/g/g.php?a=s&i=g41-01015-18

By the way, all i posted was that the recording sounded great until he started singing..and i suggested he learn an instrument and pack in the sing..fair point i think most of you wouuld agree

[dave 81]

Page 182??? Ugly is as ugly does.

[DzM]

It seems the ice has become dangerously thin for many people over the last few days. They know who they are and have been contacted about it.

Before of these several people posts another polemic or starts chest-thumping, I recommend they considering if they want it to be their last post here. Thanks.

[CraigBatty]

I have not wanted to even reply in here.

But I swear. I have tried to make amens to all wronged by me. To no avail. I accept that with humility in my grief over losing my love in REAL life and friends online, and the respect and friendly ear of Sensei Phil. I deserve that much. Enough about my sad 'breakdown'.

By what I said to you in private. Last word in THIS thread. About him. Done.

Yours and alls servant on the raft.
Craig

[jennylois]

Can we please have a moratorium on this exchange now? Or continue it in PM. At this stage, there is nothing to be gained from landing blows in front of a less-than-enthralled audience.

I'm sorry to all of you here who are upset about his issue. I feel shattered by it too, the strong feelings it evokes in us all is amazing. Someone should do a study on it although I guess it only boils down to intolerance in the end. We all know how we feel. When I keep harping on I guess I'm trying to help others to see my side, but I can't see the other side and I never will no matter what anyone else says. However I do want to reply to Craig in public, as again he has been insultive when no insult was intended towards him and I'm quite frankly fucking tired of being made out to be a bitch here just because I dare to have a say.

Craig was insultive when he had his 'breakdown' last week...

So, his is a BREAKDOWN, but mine is a 'breakdown'? Think I'm having a hissy fit, dear? Think I'm on 'me rags', dear? I'll PM you the details of MY DOCTOR as opposed to yer wee mate who REFUSES help. Inverted commas? Yeah, like you're a 'woman'. Fuck YOU.

The inverted commas were not because I didn't believe you. You yourself mentioned your breakdown and I used them for describing OIrish's comments recently as well, that's why I also wrote 'breakdown' for OIrish, as he also had a sort of rant about his situation. I was likening them to show that he did no worse than you, yet you criticised him for it. I wasn't trying to say that you just had a hissy fit. You PMed me with your apology re the CD and I accepted it. I really don't know why you have started this again Craig.

Really? Funny coming from someone who feels the need to bitch about me in other Fora (of which, BTW, I AM NOT AN INVITED elitist in with the COOL KIDS MEMBER LIKE YOU, nor do I read very often at all because I find the layout and background image bordering on stroboscopic. So fuck yourself AGAIN. And then go have another dribbling rant about me in there wuith all your admirers. Tosser.)

I didn't bitch about you at all, I said this "Ingrid I don't like the way the OI issue has been handled. I have been reading this forum for a few years now even though I don't post often, and until recently I have never seen offensive posts from OIrish intil his recent outburst which should surely be tolerated as someone who has reached the end of his tether as he had lost all hope of ever getting to Ireland permanently. Over on Medusa last week a very well liked person who I believe also reads this forum, has a vicious attack on OIrish and other members, a rant on his sad life in general, was insulting and obnoxious. He has since apologised and all is forgiven. So why should OIrish not be forgiven for an outburst of frustration aided I believe by drink. I find it appalling that he has been banned, I am shocked and saddened that it has happened in a community which I felt comfortable and accepted in. Jesus, I feel ashamed of this. And the emails you have quoted are nothing. If you pay attention to them, you should also pay attention to my opinion and the opinion of the other OIrish supporters here. All in Shane's name. Appalling."
You showed disdain about my comment where I said that if I had written so much about my sad life then I would have been criticised, but you weren't. Craig, you were criticised for being offensive, but not for having a big rant. You and I know it's true Craig. You are loved here, I said that to you before. Everyone loves you and no matter what you say you're everyone's buddy, all is forgiven. I'm not everyone's buddy. I obviously don't come across very well online, but I'm not having a boo hoo about that, just stating a fact. I would have been crucified for having your rant and I know it. Also I am not an invited elitist on PRS for fucks sake, I am certainly not one of the cool kids there, rarely posting.

To finish off, you made it quite clear that you have Bi Polar disorder, I do understand, it's a condition that I am quite familiar with as my husband's step brother has it.

[jennylois]

I found this while I was looking up details of Reg Mombassa's new book which has just been released. He is an Aussie artist/musician which I will post a bit about on the artist thread. This is from his site and seemed a bit applicable to us all having such a good time in this thread http://www.regmombassa.com/ Go to his writings, A Rant Against Ranting.

[kmurray105]

http://www.shanemacgowan.com/lyrics/lonesome.shtml

[Niall]

DzM: if it's at all possible, is there a way you could please retrieve ALL messages or posts from me in this present user-name and as Fintan regarding or TO IrishRover. I wish to - for my own sanity's sake at the VERY least - make sure that my memory of my interactions with this person are correct: ie. that I have been nothing but supportive, encouraging and friendly towards him from the moment I first posted to him, until I lashed out in the midst of a breakdown this week. Since apparently no form of apology was to be accepted in the original instance, I simply let this slide, with my open hand outstretched. When however, he slurred Ingird in that manner I SNAPPED for reasons you seem well aware of. My threats in a public, legally-actionable forum were inexcusable, were deleted by you and are happily gone in my opinion. But I would LIKE to see a list of all my posts to him, just to prove a point to myself.

For the record folks, I have NEVER had a problem with the OIs. Couldn't give a rat's heiny. Actually IS sometimes kinda fun. And what's it REALLY matter? No, my issues with this boy-child are about his treatment of anyone who IN HIS MIND does not agree 150% with his assessment of the world and his situation in it. Disagree with him and you're a cunt. Say you like a holiday in Serbia and you're a Nazi.

He seriously, I fear, may need psychiatric crisis care. And I've said so. More than once. NICELY. Not mocking. Concerned. Why? Been there, done that, got the lime-green Tshirt split up the back...

Being born in a stable might not make one a horse, but it doesn't mean you have to behave like an ass either.

theres no need for that craig mate, as far as i remember you have always supported him, in fact, even though we are friends, im sure we have had cross words about it in the past with you supporting him and me not, you dont need dzm to show you these posts, people will remember your support if they choose to. If they choose not to thats their problem not yours

[Jane]

Is this the right place for an argument? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teMlv3ripSM