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The Saga of Irish Rover And The Crew(censorshoipped edition)

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Post Mon Oct 26, 2009 1:02 am

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philipchevron wrote:Oirish, as I understand it, Craig's post was deleted because it contained physical threats of violence, which it did, I saw it before it was deleted. This is a judgment Craig appears to have accepted.


Philip, oi haven't even read Craig's post, what oi've saoid last was regardoin' the threat oi receoived oin me oinboix and me oiwn post beeoin' deleted; that post doidn't cointaoin any threats whatsoiver, oi never ever threatened anyoine oin any sense, let aloine to send vioilence threats, oim noit that koind of persoin; oi oinly used oine soingle woird(tois' to be foiund oin Shane's lyroics, under letter w...., and tois' to be foiund oin every decent doictoinary), to descroibe an excuse foir cheap human beeoing, as oi was deleted froim Shane foira, oinly, oinly cause of the way oi wroite, cause oi put O & I toigether.. oi mean, oif Behan were aloive oir anyoine else woith sense foir exoitoic ways of puttoin' engloish woirds and phrases toigether, woiuld we all get banned ? thats noit the reasoin why oim here, oim here cause of the musoic, cause of ye Philip, cause of Shane, Darryl and all Pogues, cause of few but essentoial peoiple who are me froiends here, but noit foir any of the oithers ! oi woish all the oithers woiuld soimply leave me, thois thread and gooid peoiple oi love aloine.


Understood. However, I have known Ingrid personally (as has Shane) for over twenty years and I do think your insult went beyond the bounds of acceptability. Just because a word is in the dictionary does not in itself excuse its indiscriminate use. Moreover, to use it in conjunction with the person's nationality/ethnicity raises the attack onto a whole other level, otherwise, why bother doing so? Words can be our friends, but they can also be used as weapons, which rarely sets them in their most glorious light.

It may surprise you to learn that Ingrid has been one of Shane's greatest champions for a long time, and that she actually co-ran the original Pogues international fan club many years ago, even splitting away from the Pogues when Shane departed the band in 1991, in a gesture of solidarity with him that I always felt was misplaced but for which I have nevertheless always admired her.
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Post Mon Oct 26, 2009 1:55 am

philipchevron wrote:Understood. However, I have known Ingrid personally (as has Shane) for over twenty years and I do think your insult went beyond the bounds of acceptability. Just because a word is in the dictionary does not in itself excuse its indiscriminate use. Moreover, to use it in conjunction with the person's nationality/ethnicity raises the attack onto a whole other level, otherwise, why bother doing so?

It may surprise you to learn that Ingrid has been one of Shane's greatest champions for a long time, and that she actually co-ran the original Pogues fan club many years ago, even splitting away from the Pogues when Shane departed the band in 1991, in a gesture of solidarity with him that I always felt was misplaced but for which I have nevertheless always admired her.


all roight, yeah, oif thoings were woithoiut soiloid reasoin oid agree woith ye 100%, but try to see the whoile poicture; what aboiut boiunds of acceptaboiloity regardoin' peoiples' roight to freedoim of speech, loive expression, oi beloive ye bestly knoiw what oim talkoin' aboiut, and ye've spoiken here oin so many oiccassions defendoin' me roight to be free oin ointerpretation of wroitten engloish; tois' all oi doid, oi never oinsulted anyoine at Shane's foirum(Shanes ! as thois here ois Pogues' foirum, tois' noit ingrid's, maccurrency's, dzm's) and me accoiunt was banned, why ? cause oi wroite the way oi do ? oi mean, everyoine here and elsewhere knoiws perfectly that me usage of spelloin' O & I ois oin hoinoiur of OIroishness, punk etc. cause oi explaoined & explaoined, here and there, many toimes ! oit means oindoivoidual expression, creatoivoity, noithoin' else; oi never ever asked anyoine to read what oi wroite; thoise who do do, thoise who doin't, doin't understand, doisloike, hate me oir whatever, they can skoip me exoitoic wroitoings, woith no need to call me posts, and oi quoite - "goibberoish", that was her descroiption of me wroitoings; and bannoin', cloisoin' me accoiunt was the action; by thois very doictatoiroial action oi judged the very persoin who doid oit ! oi doin't recall anyoine asked me hoiw oi feel ? beeoin' banned foir noithoin' ? and me posts oinsulted by the very censoirshoipper; waste majoiroity of peoiple actually raoised theoir voices agaoinst the act of ban, oih, yeah, they doid.. nevertheless, theres no demoicracy oin doictatoirshoip oif ye knoiw what oi mean, her answer was "so what can oi do, ban meself?".. oine can't faoil to love manageroial selfawerness..

the very use of the phrase came oin heat of the very feeloings, cause of oinjustoice broiught upoin me oin the foirst place, so oi haven't exactly sat foir an hoiur to poick woird by woird but rather used whatever came foirst and foilloiwed the evenoin'; there was no ointention whatsoiver to make thois phrase ethnoic.. that wasn't me point anyway, and oi've spoiken here a thoiusand toimes aboiut nazoi ways, noit German ways.. oi have froiends oin Germany, and exactly - oi never really boithered to stoip and poick exact woirds to descroibe what needs to be descroibed.. exclude the ethnoicoity woird, the point of me feeloings and thoiughts ois stoill there !

funny thoing, noiw that ye mentoined ethnoicoity.. maybe ye moissed the part where the woiman actually, truly, ointentoinally & doirectly oinsulted me oiwn ? what aboiut these doirect ethnoic oinsults, oif thats noit hate speech regardoin' ethnoicoity, oi really doin't knoiw what ois; woith the woirds telloin' me who oi am and who oim noit oin ethnoic terms ! yes ethnoic terms ! woiuld any of ye here be oinsulted oif soimeoine else woiuld to put ye oin soime ethnoic basket, even thoiugh yer noit oir ye doin't feel so ? soimehoiw, oinsults agaoinst me, oin ethnoic, cultural, languageal terms.. they're all alloiwed, roight, but even a soingle woird coimoin' froim me causes roits throiughoiut and becoimes doiscoimoination, unfaoir treatment of oinnoicent and hoighly respected coitoizens who gloiw under the manageroial sun..

Philip, as oi saoid befoire, oi always thoiught so, stoill do, oim here foir the doirect soiurce noit foir soime ointermedoiary selfapointed manageroial structure to stand between me and Pogues' musoic; oi beloive gooid number of true Pogues' fans thoinks the same ! oines who aren't here any moire toild me so, soime who are stoill here woill proibably speak oiut oin the loines to foilloiw.
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Post Mon Oct 26, 2009 3:50 am

See below From Oirish's Homepage. Not one OI or IO to be seen.

Why litter this site and Shane's site with your gibberish tripe and not your own??

"1 PUNK PADDY IN 3RD WORLD'S CHAINS SEEKS HELP & SUPPORT IN THE FREE WORLD ! SEEKING MUSICIANS' GREEN CARD, WORK PERMIT, ASYLUM, LONG TERM RESIDENCE TOWARDS IRISH CITIZENSHIP ! HELP ME ! SEEKING WAYS OUT ! CONTACT ME IF YOU CAN HELP FROM IRELAND OR ANY OTHER FREE WORLD COUNTRY AS TEMPORARY SAFE HAVEN BESIDES IRELAND, UK, EU, USA, CANADA, AUSTRALIA ETC. HELP !!! "

AND MORE

"The Only Irish Musician Stuck Against
Own Free Will, Slaved & Jailed In The
3rd World Of Europe, serbia, belgrade.
Awaiting Freedom & Move Towards Ireland."

AND MORE

"With great pride, honour & after grand efforts invested to make it rockin' furious, here is the final result,
collaboration video trad. COME TO THE BOWER by truly yours Irish Rover & Arsonic Nick, Salt Lake Whalefishers, USA.
Enjoy the real rockin' paddy punk music of Ireland brought to you by united Irish punk rockers collaboration.
Vocals & guitar by Irish Rover. Tenor banjo, bass & synth. drums by Arsonic Nick. Video production by Irish Rover & Arsonic Nick.
This video comes in full HD high quality resolution, and is so available for the to be played and broadcasted by both fans and media.
Published in June 2009. Stay tuned, follow our work, you can visit us at following pages:"

I was going to comment on the Paddy in Chains but if I may, I'll quote a very good post on PRS from a guy called Oscar.

"As for the Paddy in chains bit. Anyone with an inkling of Irish history will know that many real Irishmen have been in chains. Sadly down the years they have had to suffer and endure many misfortunes.
So while some might find that Serbian fools plight and patter amusing others may find it repugnant and utterly disrespectful to the memory of true Irish people who have suffered and died."

Seriously, If you ever do land in Ireland, I can only see two outcomes.

1. You would be laughed out of town
2. You will rub someone up the wrong way who will think you are taking the piss and end up in hospital, if you're lucky.

I just hope for your sake it's the first.
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Post Mon Oct 26, 2009 5:44 am

Sick of this Twat dividing these forums wrote:See below From Oirish's Homepage. Not one OI or IO to be seen.

Why litter this site and Shane's site with your gibberish tripe and not your own??


Holy hell is it that big a freakin deal the guy writes with friggin O's & I's? Give it a rest really, live and let live. Or use the foe button.
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Post Mon Oct 26, 2009 6:09 am

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Sick of this Twat dividing these forums wrote:See below From Oirish's Homepage. Not one OI or IO to be seen.

Why litter this site and Shane's site with your gibberish tripe and not your own??


Holy hell is it that big a freakin deal the guy writes with friggin O's & I's? Give it a rest really, live and let live. Or use the foe button.


No, of course it's not. But whatever acceptance for it that exists here on Medusa clearly does not exist over at F.O.S, which is, I think, Ingrid and Juergen's prerogative.
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Post Mon Oct 26, 2009 6:28 am

DzM: if it's at all possible, is there a way you could please retrieve ALL messages or posts from me in this present user-name and as Fintan regarding or TO IrishRover. I wish to - for my own sanity's sake at the VERY least - make sure that my memory of my interactions with this person are correct: ie. that I have been nothing but supportive, encouraging and friendly towards him from the moment I first posted to him, until I lashed out in the midst of a breakdown this week. Since apparently no form of apology was to be accepted in the original instance, I simply let this slide, with my open hand outstretched. When however, he slurred Ingird in that manner I SNAPPED for reasons you seem well aware of. My threats in a public, legally-actionable forum were inexcusable, were deleted by you and are happily gone in my opinion. But I would LIKE to see a list of all my posts to him, just to prove a point to myself.

For the record folks, I have NEVER had a problem with the OIs. Couldn't give a rat's heiny. Actually IS sometimes kinda fun. And what's it REALLY matter? No, my issues with this boy-child are about his treatment of anyone who IN HIS MIND does not agree 150% with his assessment of the world and his situation in it. Disagree with him and you're a cunt. Say you like a holiday in Serbia and you're a Nazi.

He seriously, I fear, may need psychiatric crisis care. And I've said so. More than once. NICELY. Not mocking. Concerned. Why? Been there, done that, got the lime-green Tshirt split up the back...

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Post Mon Oct 26, 2009 6:31 am

philipchevron wrote:
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Sick of this Twat dividing these forums wrote:See below From Oirish's Homepage. Not one OI or IO to be seen.

Why litter this site and Shane's site with your gibberish tripe and not your own??


Holy hell is it that big a freakin deal the guy writes with friggin O's & I's? Give it a rest really, live and let live. Or use the foe button.


No, of course it's not. But whatever acceptance for it that exists here on Medusa clearly does not exist over at F.O.S, which is, I think, Ingrid and Juergen's prerogative.


Absolute agreement Mr C. I visit that other site from time to time but I just happen to prefer this one much more. I'm not judging their rules or how they deal with their site. My comment was more to the user name and comments of this last poster. Whoever he/she may be.
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Post Mon Oct 26, 2009 6:39 am

CraigBatty wrote:For the record folks, I have NEVER had a problem with the OIs. Couldn't give a rat's heiny. Actually IS sometimes kinda fun. And what's it REALLY matter? No, my issues with this boy-child are about his treatment of anyone who IN HIS MIND does not agree 150% with his assessment of the world and his situation in it. Disagree with him and you're a cunt. Say you like a holiday in Serbia and you're a Nazi.


Just for my own peace of mind Craig I wasn't pointing to you on the O & I comments either. Other then todays happenings which I'm not involved and do not care to be, I just wanted the unknown poster to rather then stir the pot give it a rest. (for what I see here on the medusa) In the larger scope of life people worrying about who types O's and I's is so minor.
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Post Mon Oct 26, 2009 7:00 am

Regarding OIrish's insults of Ingrid, I want to remind everyone that Oirish was only insulting after Ingrid said she would ban him for writing with OI's which she hated, and a handful of others on PRS.

Craig was insultive when he had his 'breakdown' last week. He insulted me about the CD issue, but that is forgotten. I don't want to hold a grudge, he explained himself etc, I can let it go, but I didn't see anyone come to my aid and say hey that was pretty mean to say that about Jenny. WHY is not OIrish forgiven for having a 'breakdown'. WHY? He said far less than Craig. Craig lashed out at OIrish in a spiteful rage just because Oirish was having a complaint about his life. Craig ranted about his own life, doing exactly what OIrish did but wasn't condemned. Craig is gushed over and forgiven but Oirish not.

If I had written pages of complaint about my life like Craig did I wouldn't have escaped criticism. He did.

I cannot understand the small mindedness about this issue, I never have been able to. It sticks in my guts like a festering sore. Please guys, let's be tolerant. Please treasure those who are different. Look after them and be there for them, they are usually more fragile than most. They are also the spice of life.
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Post Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:14 pm

I was disgusted when I read Irish Rover’s post on this forum. His description of Ingrid as “soime cheap manageroial german ingrid whoire” is nasty and very insulting. His subsequent post about Nazi censorship is vile. Maybe he posted when he was angry, pissed, or in the heat of the moment? Who knows, except for Irish Rover?

On a personal level, Irish Rover’s attack on Ingrid has upset me. Ingrid is one of my best friends and I hate to see her insulted in this manner. I am not stupid. I know I’ll be accused of taking Ingrid’s side of the argument because she and I are friends.
However, my reason for this post has nothing to do with the dispute between Ingrid and Irish Rover. I’m writing this because I can’t, and I fucking well won’t, stay silent when someone hurls cheap, nasty, insults at my friend.
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Post Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:26 pm

Just to add my two pennies worth (is that the saying?) I imagine that if it wasnt for Philip, IR would of been booted off this forum a looooong time ago.
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Post Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:43 pm

jennylois wrote:I want to remind everyone that Oirish was only insulting after Ingrid said she would ban him for writing with OI's which she hated, and a handful of others on PRS.


exactly ! and by Loird, ye were there Jenny, she doidn't just hate the way oi wroite, O & I; asoide the fact that she banned freedoim of loive expression, whoich nazois do, oi was alywas sayoin' that, there were also several posts oinsultoin' me natoinal feeloings doirectly.. but who goives a feck aboiut natoinal feeloings of thois paddy oin chaoins, roight, oim noit a manager presentoin' meself as soime koind of authoiroity between Shane, Pogues and peoiple who actually understand the musoic, so walkoin' oiver me & me feeloings ois noit just beeoin' toilerated, tois' moire than welcoime, boirn oin soin coime on oin & spoit oin oiroish the furthest ye can ! as oi saoid befoire, and oit stoill happens here, looik just a few loines beloiw me post and ye'll foind oinsults that woill never be deleted; why ? cause of the doiuble standards, cause of roitten manageroial ointerest oir whatever, oi doin't even care what the very reasoins are, plaoin truth ois noit everyoine ois blessed woith same koind of treatment, soime can oinsult to the coire and get away woith oit, whoile oithers are crusoifoied foir a soingle woird; doisgrace !

jennylois wrote:Craig was insultive when he had his 'breakdown' last week. He insulted me about the CD issue, but that is forgotten. I don't want to hold a grudge, he explained himself etc, I can let it go, but I didn't see anyone come to my aid and say hey that was pretty mean to say that about Jenny. WHY is not OIrish forgiven for having a 'breakdown'. WHY? He said far less than Craig. Craig lashed out at OIrish in a spiteful rage just because Oirish was having a complaint about his life. Craig ranted about his own life, doing exactly what OIrish did but wasn't condemned. Craig is gushed over and forgiven but Oirish not.


tois' noit foirgoitten Jenny, oi never foirgoit, never foirgave the oinsults, never foirgave stabboin' me oiwn and oither peoiple's back, theres no woirse example oif humanoity goine wroing; ye knoiw hoiw oi feel;

jennylois wrote:I cannot understand the small mindedness about this issue, I never have been able to. It sticks in my guts like a festering sore. Please guys, let's be tolerant. Please treasure those who are different. Look after them and be there for them, they are usually more fragile than most. They are also the spice of life.


oi cannoit understand eoither, never coiuld, never woill, and oit never faoils to surproise me, the ways that broing oin noithoin' but hate & moisery; and treasuroin' the doifference, exactly, oi thoiught that was, ois, shoiuld be loike a default here ! woish all were treasuroin' oinstead of shooitoin' and spoittoin' at the very foirst soight of the doifference they doin't understand;
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Post Mon Oct 26, 2009 3:37 pm

CraigBatty wrote:DzM: if it's at all possible, is there a way you could please retrieve ALL messages or posts from me in this present user-name and as Fintan regarding or TO IrishRover.

All? Not easily. Not without a lot of database surgery. Here's a simple search that produces three pages of results though:

search.php?keywords=irishrover&author=craigbatty
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jennylois wrote:Craig was insultive when he had his 'breakdown' last week...


So, his is a BREAKDOWN, but mine is a 'breakdown'? Think I'm having a hissy fit, dear? Think I'm on 'me rags', dear? I'll PM you the details of MY DOCTOR as opposed to yer wee mate who REFUSES help. Inverted commas? Yeah, like you're a 'woman'. Fuck YOU.

jennylois wrote:I don't want to hold a grudge....


Really? Funny coming from someone who feels the need to bitch about me in other Fora (of which, BTW, I AM NOT AN INVITED elitist in with the COOL KIDS MEMBER LIKE YOU, nor do I read very often at all because I find the layout and background image bordering on stroboscopic. So fuck yourself AGAIN. And then go have another dribbling rant about me in there wuith all your admirers. Tosser.)

jennylois wrote:WHY is not OIrish forgiven for having a 'breakdown'. WHY? He said far less than Craig. Craig lashed out at OIrish in a spiteful rage just because Oirish was having a complaint about his life. Craig ranted about his own life, doing exactly what OIrish did but wasn't condemned. Craig is gushed over and forgiven but Oirish not.


Gushed over? Hardly. More like what you're doing over the person I TRIED TO HELP as well. You soft-touch bleeding heart wannabe Mother Teresa.

jennylois wrote:If I had written pages of complaint about my life like Craig did I wouldn't have escaped criticism. He did.


As opposed to the 180 pages of this tired shit. Fuck you thrice. Didn't escape criticism? What the fuck's THIS then dickhead?

jennylois wrote:I cannot understand the small mindedness about this issue, I never have been able to. It sticks in my guts like a festering sore. Please guys, let's be tolerant. Please treasure those who are different. Look after them and be there for them, they are usually more fragile than most. They are also the spice of life.


Nor can I. ESPECIALLY from YOU and ROVER.

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Post Mon Oct 26, 2009 7:04 pm

Can we please have a moratorium on this exchange now? Or continue it in PM. At this stage, there is nothing to be gained from landing blows in front of a less-than-enthralled audience.
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