The Saga of Irish Rover And The Crew(censorshoipped edition)

[Niall]

has he really left or is he sitting at home in serbia watching how his thread goes along?

[Irishbookish]

..JOIN ME REBELS ! WE MOIST REBEL ! Leave thois raft ! OIt is too croiwded woith 'em rats ..

Oh dear...hope I'm not a rat. Oh well. This Fake OirishRoiveir saying we moist rebel probably isn't him because he hasn't signed in. Moist or not.

[firehazard]

... This Fake OirishRoiveir saying we moist rebel probably isn't him because he hasn't signed in. Moist or not.

I think Fake OiroishRoiveir needs to work on his authentic Oirish spelling.

[Ignatius Giddy]

Has anyone heard from Oirish Rover recently?

[jennylois]

Is IrishRover gone? If he is, it's because he's imposed exile on himself. Whatever his motivation may be for that (bullying, or lack of community support, or malaise, or some other incentive)

Reading back through the Saga from the very beginning, and I know it takes ages, it is clear for anyone to see that OIrish has been bullied unmercifully. There is no other way to describe it than bullying. He has been asked to explain himself so many times and he has, he has kept on having to explain and justify himself. In my opinion it is extremely uncool to be so unaccepting.

I think you'll find, Jenny, that MOST of the people here have (and still do) shown a great deal of support for IrishRover.

I don't agree that MOST support him, some do, but a lot treat him in a condescending manner, like he is a child to be lectured to and they get shitty when he doesn't do what they say.

In a sense he's the guy peeing in the corner of his local and getting angry at everyone else for not enjoying his antics.

That's an exaggerated analogy DzM. I think it's more like Oirish is the outsider of a bunch of nasty little school kids who criticise anyone who is different to them, like "look at his hair, it's too long, he should have his hair cut short like ours or we won't let him into our group." I'm not suggesting that no one ever be criticised, but OIrish has put up with too much over the years. The same people keep slagging him, saying the same hurtful, spiteful, degrading, humiliating stuff over and over and over and over and over, so is it really any surprise that he has let off steam and gone? How much can a person take who is already down?

Instead of coming into this community, and PRS, and being accepted for who he is, unconditionally, he has been crucified by the very communities he thought he was safe in, with the Shane/Pogues spirit. How does that suck eh? What irony. Enough to turn one to the bottle in a very bad way. That would cause anyone to lose face. OIrish has been pushed too far, and the result is that now he has given some of you even more ammo to fire back at him. Some here will love this as it's just like a game to them and they must be enjoying OIrish's public crucifixion immensley. Now that OIrish has gone, I wonder who they will turn to next? Has to be someone with very big balls cos a weaker person would leave too soon, they wouldn't be able to stand it for as long as OIrish did.

[Clash Cadillac]

In my opinion it is extremely uncool to be so unaccepting.

This goes both ways and OIrish has shown that he does not accept others opinions if they do not agree with his "punk attitude".

Jennylois, can you really defend OIrish's treatment of Eckhart?

[philipchevron]

In my opinion it is extremely uncool to be so unaccepting.

This goes both ways and OIrish has shown that he does not accept others opinions if they do not agree with his "punk attitude".

Jennylois, can you really defend OIrish's treatment of Eckhart?

Nevertheless, Jenny's main point that Oirish has been bullied for years by people he may have felt entitled to think better of, is inarguably true. It is the defence I used in his favour from the outset. We should be surprised when the bullied starts to take on the attributes of the bully?

[Ingrid Knetsch]

to Clash Cadillac: I agree with you .... though .... I have met many punks in my life but nobody ever called me a Nazi whore! They were great people actually.

[old member]

In my opinion it is extremely uncool to be so unaccepting.

This goes both ways and OIrish has shown that he does not accept others opinions if they do not agree with his "punk attitude".

Jennylois, can you really defend OIrish's treatment of Eckhart?

Nevertheless, Jenny's main point that Oirish has been bullied for years by people he may have felt entitled to think better of, is inarguably true. It is the defence I used in his favour from the outset. We should be surprised when the bullied starts to take on the attributes of the bully?

Christ on a bike, give it a rest, Oirish being bullied, its an internet forum, its cyber space......all the handshakes that have ever been offered to him have been thrown back with disdain or ignored, he used the foe button more than anyone (DzM's words) his only interest was himself, anytime anyone tried to offer help or suggest alternatives to his ambition of living at the end of the rainbow, he treated them with contempt. For years he has been calling DzM every name under the sun, so please dont come out with the bullshit that he has become a bully because of past experience. Many members on here and PRS tried to stick up for him, but jesus there is a limit and for most people he went to far.

[philipchevron]

Mr or Ms Anon heard from again. Nice to see you still have the courage of your convictions sir/ma'am. Why the bitching now? You got your way, Oirish left. The bullying of him had nothing to do with his capacity to follow his dreams and everything to do with people's fear of anybody who presents themselves "differently" from the mob.

[Clash Cadillac]

In my opinion it is extremely uncool to be so unaccepting.

This goes both ways and OIrish has shown that he does not accept others opinions if they do not agree with his "punk attitude".

Jennylois, can you really defend OIrish's treatment of Eckhart?

Nevertheless, Jenny's main point that Oirish has been bullied for years by people he may have felt entitled to think better of, is inarguably true. It is the defence I used in his favour from the outset. We should be surprised when the bullied starts to take on the attributes of the bully?

While I agree that OIrish was bullied unfairly and that is why I stuck up for him (if you care to read back through this thread). I still believe that two wrongs do not make a right.

I'll ask you the same question Philip. Can you really defend OIrish's treatment of Eckhart?

I am also bothered with OIrish's attitude towards DzM who, in my view, also offered OIrish many olive branches which were all rejected. I make mistakes like everyone else and try to atone for my actions with apologies whenever it occurs to me that I have been rude or perceived to be impolite.

This whole sage is really disappointing. I just wish everyone would say "I'm sorry" and start again.

[philipchevron]

In my opinion it is extremely uncool to be so unaccepting.

This goes both ways and OIrish has shown that he does not accept others opinions if they do not agree with his "punk attitude".

Jennylois, can you really defend OIrish's treatment of Eckhart?

Nevertheless, Jenny's main point that Oirish has been bullied for years by people he may have felt entitled to think better of, is inarguably true. It is the defence I used in his favour from the outset. We should be surprised when the bullied starts to take on the attributes of the bully?

While I agree that OIrish was bullied unfairly and that is why I stuck up for him (if you care to read back through this thread). I still believe that two wrongs do not make a right.

I'll ask you the same question Philip. Can you really defend OIrish's treatment of Eckhart?

I am also bothered with OIrish's attitude towards DzM who, in my view, also offered OIrish many olive branches which were all rejected. I make mistakes like everyone else and try to atone for my actions with apologies whenever it occurs to me that I have been rude or perceived to be impolite.

This whole sage is really disappointing. I just wish everyone would say "I'm sorry" and start again.

I didn't defend Oirish's treatment of Eckhart, nor do I. For that matter, I explicitly came to Ingrid's defence. None of that is relevant to the main point I have argued right from the beginning, which is that Oirish was the victim of bullying from people he had every right to expect better things from - Pogues fans.

[Clash Cadillac]

None of that is relevant to the main point I have argued right from the beginning, which is that Oirish was the victim of bullying from people he had every right to expect better things from - Pogues fans.

Agreed.

[Eckhard]

The absurd thing is that I really kind of like(d) that guy. Sure his Ois made reading difficult, but not impossible. I offered him my support and I really think that it might have worked, that there was a chance to at least get him over for a holiday or something.

I was kind of irritated by his reaction when I simply stated that we had a good time visiting my wife's childhood home in Northern Serbia ( Ironically her family is of Croatian heritage ), when he accused me to make a good holiday out of other peoples' suffering. Abruptly he cut all the conncetions to me. This irritated me.

But:
I came to the conclusion that probably there are more severe problems he has to deal with. And he did have in fact some hard times on this board, though I never considered it a one-way-thing. And probably my positive attitude toward a serbian vacation somehow was just that little thing that was too much for him.

Personally I would have no problem to see him back here. There might well be a chance for a new beginning. I would expect an excuse though. Not for me. No. But towards Ingrid. I think that was simply too much.

[wild frank]

Oirish has been bullied for years by people he may have felt entitled to think better of, is inarguably true. It is the defence I used in his favour from the outset. We should be surprised when the bullied starts to take on the attributes of the bully?

"My client butchered the whole family but hadn't he been severely bullied at school?!" Great defence indeed..

If it had not been your kind patronage, Philip, three admins and two forums wouldn’t have had to deal with one mighty disturbing person and a bunch of his shit-stirring supporters. It’s your thoughtless and one sided protection made him believe he was untouchable and unapproachable, his opinion was the only right and valuable, his were the only circumstances that count. Such unconditional support finally led him to attacking everything and everyone that at least somehow differs from his own view of this world and his exceptional position in this world. Could he tolerate others? Could he meet others half way? Without any hesitation he pressed foe button turning old friends into enemies just because they dared to question one of his deeds or expressions. Let alone those who always presented themselves "differently" from him… Specially for him another option was added even, he is the only person who can foe guests here! Great example of his tolerance and understanding.. If you feel like defending him, do not resort to arguments like “tolerance”, “sympathy for differences” and such. There are no such conceptions in IrishRover’s philosophy. All he knows is “spoiroit”, “essence”, “attoitude”, and naturally he is the only bearer of these true values. The rest are scums, poseurs, Nazis, red necks, pagans. If you bother to read his rhetoric attentively (though it must be quite hard due to his “unique style”, so I am not going to blame you for skipping most of his posts) you’ll see that it’s hate speech at its best, full of racism and now sexism.
An attack at Ingrid, a decent lady, a respectful person, a long-term friend of Shane, who has been running his fan club for years, investing time, money, her heart and soul into this project, trying her best to make Shane’s forum comfortable for every fan.. This attack was apotheosis of IrishRover’s arrogance, intolerance and hypocrisy.
“Live to your dream, Irish!!” That’s where his dreams and your encouragement led us.