The Saga of Irish Rover And The Crew(censorshoipped edition)

[Pyro]

Umm, since I visited Medusa once again, I thought I´d throw my cents in again (and then I´ll hopefully vanish again ).

I was thinking of this problem - which seems to get gangwar character.

It seems to me that both sides are way too polarized. Some people certainly don´t have to slag moderators at all costs. On the other hand, Oirish is treated harshly at some times - those are probably the facts.

Why? There were times where there was rather constructive (compared to the one of those days) discussion, where it seemed that Oirish basically refused most of the help offered - that seems to me like the breaking point, when many thought he was a liar and wannabe victim - so that´s a thing to consider for those "who support Oirish".

It seems that the problem is not with the facts in Oirish's life - the situation is obviously not good, so it´s of no good to argument with that. Everyone more or less knows that. Earlier, I thought it was a matter of principle, that Oirish should write in "normal" language - and I still believe so, but after taking a rest and realizing I´m not really supposed to do anything about it, I thought that it could be tolerated - but once you´re on Medusa daily (or so), it´s very difficult to come to that (and I think that this - few weeks experience switched something inside me).

I believe that most of the problems were not with Oirish himself, but with some of his overly "devout" followers (which the other side may think of me too ) - some of their writings almost made me throw up with disgust, it felt almost "evil" to me. And I know that it was partly my fault - even when I was doing something I felt was right, it was partly my fault it got escalated so high (I´m speaking of my personal conflicts, not about the problem in general).

How to put an end to those problems? Banning anyone is probably not going to happen, so that´s not an option, but how?
Cheers, I miss many of you

[jennylois]

To use your music example, your husband likely meets you half-way on the differing musical tastes. While you're home he likely doesn't play his White Snake on the main stereo with the volume turned to 11.

Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit! No tolerance in that area whatsoever. A better example may be: should a band who plays highly alternative music NOT play in public so as not to annoy others who don't like that band's music?

When did tolerance become shutting your mouth and letting someone spout bullshit?

Er, just about every day. Anyway Oirish isn't speaking bullshit, he is simply writing with essence, and in my opinion he has the essence, he truly understands what it is.

And, there is a point to be made that writing in a way that is supposed to sound like an Irish accent, when it really is only a stereotypical "Irish" accent, is somewhat of an insult. It's like someone "writing like an Italian person" by a-puttin' the letter "a" on alla da words, likea the Italian-ah peoples-ah do it, mamma mia porco diavolo it-ah would-ah getta' molto confusing to read it like that alla da time-ah, si, and it's-ah rather notta nice-ah to say the Italian-ah peoples talk-ah like-ah that-ah. Because they don't.

Yesa some do! OIrish's writing of OI's is no more an insult than this
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=sFacWGBJ_ ... re=related

Why don't you tolerate people slagging Irishrover? Why don't you put up with it?

Because I don't put up with the slagging of those I like. Oirish isn't hurting anyone. (guest = MacRua?)

I just find it laughable that some here can seriously say that the OIs are offensive/annoying and they seriously can't ignore OIrish and his posts.

Hey Pyro! You're back! How was your holiday?

[moose]

The way Irish writes on this fora has never really bothered me and to be fair i can now read his posts very quickly and understand the "essence" and if he wants to continue in that way i have no real objection, however if Irish also speaks in this way, it could quite easily be construed as being offensive if overheard by a native of Ireland or someone with Irish parentage. I do believe that Irish could find himself in some difficulty if he spoke this way in certain Irish bars, pubs etc.

[philipchevron]

The way Irish writes on this fora has never really bothered me and to be fair i can now read his posts very quickly and understand the "essence" and if he wants to continue in that way i have no real objection, however if Irish also speaks in this way, it could quite easily be construed as being offensive if overheard by a native of Ireland or someone with Irish parentage. I do believe that Irish could find himself in some difficulty if he spoke this way in certain Irish bars, pubs etc.

In fairness, if these "natives" of whom you speak are at all likely to be offended by creatively exaggerated displays of Oirishness, they have no business being on a Pogues website.

[IrishRover]

thanks Philip and Jenny

[soulfinger]

You should all know better by now. Especially "Guest" who scarcely merits reply in the first place.

This boy'll never learn!

[moose]

The way Irish writes on this fora has never really bothered me and to be fair i can now read his posts very quickly and understand the "essence" and if he wants to continue in that way i have no real objection, however if Irish also speaks in this way, it could quite easily be construed as being offensive if overheard by a native of Ireland or someone with Irish parentage. I do believe that Irish could find himself in some difficulty if he spoke this way in certain Irish bars, pubs etc.

In fairness, if these "natives" of whom you speak are at all likely to be offended by creatively exaggerated displays of Oirishness, they have no business being on a Pogues website.

The point i was making Philip does not actually refer to this site, it refers to "speaking" this way in real life rather than writing this way on a web site.

[Sandyfromvancouver]

I've been impressed with IrishRover's use of English, (where did you learn to write so well, IR?); how much energy it still takes to decipher his writing; how patient he is with his detractors. I've also been surprised at the level and source of negativity directed his way.

As for accents . . . . Reproducing an accent is generally a form of derision, particularly resented by those who are less powerful. I shouldn't think that IrishRover's making fun of the Irish, nor is Serbia more powerful than Ireland. But IR is perhaps learning the pitfalls of reproducing an Irish accent; there's a history there.

And also he might be learning how forum readers everywhere want to skim for meaning and when they can't they get sooo pissed.

Just don't tell my US cousins that it's time for me to get OUT of the HOUSE.

[Niall]

The way Irish writes on this fora has never really bothered me and to be fair i can now read his posts very quickly and understand the "essence" and if he wants to continue in that way i have no real objection, however if Irish also speaks in this way, it could quite easily be construed as being offensive if overheard by a native of Ireland or someone with Irish parentage. I do believe that Irish could find himself in some difficulty if he spoke this way in certain Irish bars, pubs etc.

In fairness, if these "natives" of whom you speak are at all likely to be offended by creatively exaggerated displays of Oirishness, they have no business being on a Pogues website.

do explain further philip. If youre also referring to my post i explained why i get annoyed by it,ie from personal experience of being slagged and made fun ogg in the same way, i also said that i do need to get over it too, which i do.

[IrishRover]

I've been impressed with IrishRover's use of English, (where did you learn to write so well, IR?); how much energy it still takes to decipher his writing; how patient he is with his detractors. I've also been surprised at the level and source of negativity directed his way.

As for accents . . . . Reproducing an accent is generally a form of derision, particularly resented by those who are less powerful. I shouldn't think that IrishRover's making fun of the Irish, nor is Serbia more powerful than Ireland. But IR is perhaps learning the pitfalls of reproducing an Irish accent; there's a history there.

And also he might be learning how forum readers everywhere want to skim for meaning and when they can't they get sooo pissed.

Just don't tell my US cousins that it's time for me to get OUT of the HOUSE.

many thanks Sandy,
where doid oi learn.. well, at the end of the day, oi must thoink of oit moire as goift oi receoived
froim soimeoine aboive, oitherwoise oit woiuldn't be so effoirtless, natural, woith devoition, to express
the essence throiugh me woirds and slang; me speech ois all oi have really, as a woindoiw toiwards
the free woirld, toiwards OIreland, to say me ways, me dream, musoic to soing.. chaoins moight have
koilled soime of me spoiroits and joiys that oi've never experoienced here, but they haven't koilled me
expression, to wroite, to say whats oin me heart..
sadly, oi beloive oi haven't even started yet.. oi can oinly dream of beeoin' oin the poisoition to loive
amoing people who speak Engloish, OIroish, the day when oi'll be able to make musoic, to perfoirm,
soingoin', woirkoin' woith OIroish musoicoians, just beeoin' soimewhere where oi have a chance;
tois' the woirst case scenario, me current status, where oi became aware there are no chances
whatsoever foir me here, oin thois 3rd woirld oi'll never foind the magoic & people oim lookoin' foir!
oi mean, the toime eaten here by em' wardenly rats ois everythoing but loife, and woith lack of noit
just an OIroish band and me moisery cause of that, oi also have no chance to speak oin me language
- OIroish, woith accent cause theres no OIroish here, theres not even plaoin Engloish speakoin'
coimmunoity, let aloine to hear the actual accent.. so, oi actually loive foir the future, foir the
better days to coime, not to dream the dream but try to loive oine! oit woin't happen oin thois
3rd woirld, so oi hoipe oin 9 moinths toime oi'll have a chance of moivoin' where oi beloing to;

[DzM]

I hope that in 9 months time I'll have a chance of moving where I belong.

No doubt. After seeing you pine for this for the last three years I genuinely hope that you're able to too, and that real Ireland is able to live up to your expectations.

Best wishes guy.

[loneghan doyle]

Interesting to read all your comments on the oirish thing, For me it basically boils down to 2 points, important to a public forum:
A-It is racist, incessantly racist.
B-It ruins threads as they are unreadable.
Just my humble opinion.

And yes to the person who asked I did serve for a time as Celtic Daves translator, but perhaps for a little too long.

[Nemanjic]

Interesting to read all your comments on the oirish thing, For me it basically boils down to 2 points, important to a public forum:
A-It is racist, incessantly racist.
B-It ruins threads as they are unreadable.
Just my humble opinion.

And yes to the person who asked I did serve for a time as Celtic Daves translator, but perhaps for a little too long.

It is obvious that he has a personal grudge against Serbs as an ethnic group. Frankly I believe it's just his Croatian background. Think that this is typical balkanian dogmatic paranoia. Some members really like this thread. Most of them don even know what or where Balkan is. But thats why we have a man with the essence.

[dawson]

I hope that in 9 months time I'll have a chance of moving where I belong.

No doubt. After seeing you pine for this for the last three years I genuinely hope that you're able to too, and that real Ireland is able to live up to your expectations.

Best wishes guy.

Now come on Oirish say ' thankyou dzm I appreciate it!'

[IrishRover]

You should all know better by now. Especially "Guest" who scarcely merits reply in the first place.

In fairness, if these "natives" of whom you speak are at all likely to be offended by creatively exaggerated displays of Oirishness, they have no business being on a Pogues website.

they doin't seem to goive up;
so, oim askoin' a favoiur froim all me froiends, just oignoire the bastards
who're spoittoin' and spreadoin' hate oin thois thread.. and oi woill do the same;
oi doin't read what they say anyway; tois' very oibvious who ois here woith
wroing reasoins and who ois not woirthy of anythoing near to Pogues websoite;
"guests, managers, natoives, translatoirs of characters".. oi even recall recoievoin'
"froiendly warnoings" to me e-maoil froim soime characther called celtic dave oir
soime noickname very soimoilar, soime moinths oir years ago, so that much of
the guests and theoir spoinsoirs.. so, oi'll repeat oince moire, just oignoire em'
bastards as oi do, so we can talk essence stuff oin the thread;