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The Saga of Irish Rover And The Crew(censorshoipped edition)

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Re: Oirish fans

Post Wed Jul 30, 2008 6:43 am

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soulfinger wrote:
DzM wrote:IrishRover is a lightning rod for criticism and support.

Not for me Chief, I value his right to type oi to his heart's content. I also value my option to mostly ignore his typing of oi.

That wasn't a comment directed at anyone in particular. Just an observation.

Overall, IrishRover is consistently a more controversial subject than just about anything else that's been discussed here. There is a constant churn of words around and about him including (but not limited to) his writing style, his writing subjects, his action (or, until recently, lack of) toward emigration, his loathing of his birth nation and the citizens of, his ability to work with band members within Serbia, whether I treat him fairly, whether the other Janitors treat him fairly, etc. As near as I can tell more people dislike his style and the way he conducts himself here than any other user. More people have left here citing as their reason him, or the polarizing effect he has on people here, or the effects he's had here, than any other cause (other than that people's interests change as time goes by).

The thing that really fascinates me is that a lot of this conversation, drama, turmoil, etc happens independently of his own participation. The usual path is someone unfamiliar with him asks if he's really in jail, or if something's wrong with his keyboard, or if he would please try not to write in such a distorted way, etc. This will usually bring out the people that have an active dislike for him, and this brings out those that feel he needs their defense, and everything quickly goes downhill. This is outside of IrishRover's own constant drumbeat of Jail, Censorship, Poseurs, Managers, Mother Of My Heart, etc. which inevitably kicks off another one of these "discussions" every few weeks. I wish that people could more easily ignore him. I wish that IrishRover would, for the sake of Medusa if not himself, try to be more accommodating to people's requests for some higher level of clarity in his writing.

This is an awful like someone leaving graffiti on the walls of their city. Some people will consider it fine art, others will consider it an eyesore (and given an opportunity will aggressively confront the spray-painter). For the vast majority of people it simply becomes part of the landscape; sometimes beautiful, sometimes ugly, and usually invisible. Sometimes these taggers grow into fine artists; sometimes they grow out of the trend; and sometimes they get the living shit beat out of them by cops, or gangs, or people tired of what they see as blight.


So there we are. A long way of saying "IrishRover somehow polarizes people here, and I wish this wasn't the case."


It's probably a bit disrespectful for me to respond to such a cogent, coherent presentation of your view of the situation with fair enough but "fair enough".
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Re: Oirish fans

Post Wed Jul 30, 2008 6:47 am

soulfinger wrote:It's probably a bit disrespectful for me to respond to such a cogent, coherent presentation of your view of the situation with fair enough but "fair enough".

It would be silly of me to demand your respect. Just be sure to keep your hat off and avert your eyes.
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Poetic Injustice

Post Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:16 am

DzM wrote:wish that IrishRover would, for the sake of Medusa if not himself, try to be more accommodating to people's requests for some higher level of clarity in his writing.

But why?

Why should OIrish be more accommodating? Why shouldn't those who are intolerant among us be more accommodating? Why not just live and let live, let it be. This topic continues to fascinate me, how some people think that just because they don't like something, the whole world should change to their bidding, to do what THEY want. It's like me saying that because I don't like listening to the same music as my husband that he should be more accommodating to me and stop listening to it. I just try to avoid it when possible. I grew up in a big family where there were no favourites and we all just had to put up with stuff we didn't like a lot of the time. That's called T O L E R A N C E.
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Post Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:36 am

Words to ponder, Dzm. We're all of us unique in our own ways with our foibles and faults yet who should throw stones when we are all so imperfect? Yet if people with the shields left the scene the only ones remaining would be the people with the sticks and stones. There are no easy answers, however there are far more important things in life to be bothered about something so infinitesmial as a thespian penchant for adding an 'o' before 'i'.
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Re: The Saga of Irish Rover And The Crew(censorshoipped edition)

Post Wed Jul 30, 2008 12:49 pm

what annoys me is that he uses a stereotypical and derogotory form of english when applied to irish people. I say derogotory because when i first moved to england that is how english poeple spoke to me when they slagged me, and judging by films, it is the same in places apart from ireland. Now, maybe that is something I should get over but when i see rover using this type of "speech"it irks me.
recently i have become more sympathetic to his situation though,as ive mentioned before he does make it hard to feel sorry for him, as i think he is misguided in what he says and cert6ain phrases he uses. Thats just me though and i could be wrong.

I do hope Rover that you keep up the work with the band or whatever as i find it quite entertaining and enjoyable
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Re: Poetic Injustice

Post Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:41 pm

jennylois wrote:
DzM wrote:wish that IrishRover would, for the sake of Medusa if not himself, try to be more accommodating to people's requests for some higher level of clarity in his writing.

But why?

Why should OIrish be more accommodating? Why shouldn't those who are intolerant among us be more accommodating? Why not just live and let live, let it be. This topic continues to fascinate me, how some people think that just because they don't like something, the whole world should change to their bidding, to do what THEY want. It's like me saying that because I don't like listening to the same music as my husband that he should be more accommodating to me and stop listening to it. I just try to avoid it when possible. I grew up in a big family where there were no favourites and we all just had to put up with stuff we didn't like a lot of the time. That's called T O L E R A N C E.

Watch some of South Park, would you?

Why don't you tolerate people slagging Irishrover? Why don't you put up with it?

Besides, if you´re so stupid you irritate many people around it's not your fault and it's to be tolerated (to an extent), because you can not do anything about it it's part of you. Being a lazy whelp is hardly to be tolerated. You know something annoys the crap outta people, and you can stop it, will you? This is not about being mainstream zombie but about not being an asshole at all costs.
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Re: Poetic Injustice

Post Wed Jul 30, 2008 3:47 pm

jennylois wrote:
DzM wrote:wish that IrishRover would, for the sake of Medusa if not himself, try to be more accommodating to people's requests for some higher level of clarity in his writing.

But why?

Why should OIrish be more accommodating?

As a nod to civility.

To use your music example, your husband likely meets you half-way on the differing musical tastes. While you're home he likely doesn't play his White Snake on the main stereo with the volume turned to 11.

In my graffiti analogy I see a meeting-each-other-in-the-middle as The Community saying "we don't want tagging on every surface and putting 'killroy' on our civic structures; let's designate certain walls in city plazas, etc for grand murals, fantastic works of art."

"Tolerance" doesn't mean "take the shit someone doles out." It also doesn't mean "fuck them; I want my way." It means accepting that there are different views, different positions, different personalities and quirks and finding a way for all the affected people to reach a compromise that everyone can agree to. When people aren't willing to reach a compromise then the community doomed to be polarized and the whole environment poisoned by constant bickering.

That, Jenny, is why I wish IrishRover would meet his critics half-way. Indulge his pigeon English to his heart's content in his lyrics, poetry, stories, etc. Try to limit it in normal conversation. Compromise for the larger harmony of the community in exactly the same way, within your family dynamic, an individual would be expected to listen to music in their room at a reasonable volume rather than at maximum volume in the living room.
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Re: Poetic Injustice

Post Wed Jul 30, 2008 3:55 pm

jennylois wrote:But why?

Why should OIrish be more accommodating? Why shouldn't those who are intolerant among us be more accommodating? Why not just live and let live, let it be. This topic continues to fascinate me, how some people think that just because they don't like something, the whole world should change to their bidding, to do what THEY want. It's like me saying that because I don't like listening to the same music as my husband that he should be more accommodating to me and stop listening to it. I just try to avoid it when possible. I grew up in a big family where there were no favourites and we all just had to put up with stuff we didn't like a lot of the time. That's called T O L E R A N C E.


Maybe both sides could be more tolerant of others' feelings and try to be more accommodating. Irish could perhaps restrict his unusual writing style to this thread or not use it in every post every time, and the rest of us could make an effort to ignore the posts we don't want to read and stop harassing him about it.

And, there is a point to be made that writing in a way that is supposed to sound like an Irish accent, when it really is only a stereotypical "Irish" accent, is somewhat of an insult. It's like someone "writing like an Italian person" by a-puttin' the letter "a" on alla da words, likea the Italian-ah peoples-ah do it, mamma mia porco diavolo it-ah would-ah getta' molto confusing to read it like that alla da time-ah, si, and it's-ah rather notta nice-ah to say the Italian-ah peoples talk-ah like-ah that-ah. Because they don't.

I think a lot of Irish's posts are very meaningful and I enjoy the sentiments behind them but they are difficult to read in large doses. Perhaps a little bit of give on both sides is in order.

Edit: DzM and I did NOT compare notes before posting. :wink: :P
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Re: Poetic Injustice

Post Wed Jul 30, 2008 8:45 pm

jennylois wrote:
DzM wrote:wish that IrishRover would, for the sake of Medusa if not himself, try to be more accommodating to people's requests for some higher level of clarity in his writing.

But why?

Why should OIrish be more accommodating? Why shouldn't those who are intolerant among us be more accommodating? Why not just live and let live, let it be. This topic continues to fascinate me, how some people think that just because they don't like something, the whole world should change to their bidding, to do what THEY want. It's like me saying that because I don't like listening to the same music as my husband that he should be more accommodating to me and stop listening to it. I just try to avoid it when possible. I grew up in a big family where there were no favourites and we all just had to put up with stuff we didn't like a lot of the time. That's called T O L E R A N C E.

When did tolerance become shutting your mouth and letting someone spout bullshit? No way my dear.
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Re: The Saga of Irish Rover And The Crew(censorshoipped edition)

Post Wed Jul 30, 2008 9:09 pm

irishbookish wrote:This current (boring) debate was started by an unregistered 'guest' who probably should learn some manners instead of just waltzing in and throwing shyte about the place.


exactly, tois' always loike that
same oild stuff, agaoin & agaoin..
so called guests, managers and thoise regoistered who have noithoin' of an essence to oiffer to the woirld
but oinly the spoittoin', censoirshoippoin' and presentoin' me slang as the greatest evoil of the "coimmunoity";
who makes thois coimmunoity, yerselves? soime of them claoim the Goidly goiven poisoitions to determoine
whats roight and wroing, hoiw people shoiuld be behave, wroite and say oin oirder to make harmoiny
oin theoir "coimmunoity".. Let me remoind ye, thois aoin't manageroial & guest squads coimmunoity..
thois ois Pogues & punks coimmunoity! oif we were loivoin' soime hundred years back oin the past, oi coiuld
name oines who woiuld put me oin the foire foir heresy.. "Oih me Goid, he uses O & I toigether when wroitoing,
he must be an OIroish woitchdoictoir... burn hem, throiw hem oin the foire.. cut oiff hes head.."
oi do what oi do and oi do oit me way, oi wroite O & I, oi rebel, oi speak of essence, oi foight agaoinst
poiseurs & cultural teroiroism, oi speak agaoinst doictatoirs & wardens of the 3rd woirld, oi play musoic
woith furious devoition, oi can soing Shaneos songs woith full heart and soiul, oi woill break these chaoins
oine day and go to OIreland to do me musoic, oim not wearoin' establoishment made unoifoirms, oi doin't
beloive oin false coimmunoitoies, oi doin't crawl ointo arses of oines whoise roile ois oinly to carry a brooim
and clean the place.. thats who OI AM.

can a slang of puttoin' O & I toigether oinsult soimeoine? oi doin't beloive so.. even people woith whoim
oi coimmunoicate foir the foirst toime had no proiblem to read oince oi explaoin why oi wroite the way
oi do.. so, oit coimes doiwn to soimple gooid woill - do ye really wanna hear what oim sayoin' oir not;
oif not, then ye woin't be readoin' me messages not even oif they woiuld wroitten oin moist perfect
Engloish woith goild surroiundoin' each letter; so, doin't loie, yer full of crap, ye actually lack the essence,
ye have noithoin' smart to say aboiut anythoing so ye decoided to oinsult the way oi wroite, soimple
as that ! throiwoin' the foirst roick have becoime the moist poipular doiscoiploine aroiund here..
proibably thanks to the oine who throiws the moist and leads the throiwoin' squads all oiver the place..

oif soimeoine ois oinsulted, ye have a manageroial oiption to set "foie" oiption and oignoire all me
wroitoings, thank ye very much!

so, what ois the proiblem? there oisn't oine! oif oi can oignoire so called guests oincoirpoirated
by maccurrency, who arroive to spoit oin me name every secoind.. oif oi can oignoire so many
oinsults that coime to thois thread.. oif oi walk, pass by the poisueroish, manageroial and oither
wroitoings that are moire than oinsultoin', then everyoine who doiesn't wanna read the stuff oi
say can oignoire me.. a matter of choice ! everythoing else ois noithoin' moire but an attempt by
managers, poiseurs, pagans, rednecks & guests to add moire foire and moire oinsultoin' to thois
thread.. empty shells, leave thois sea! theres poisuers, scums, pagans & rednecks who have
never sent ANY valuable cointroibution to Medusa, they oinly poist oin thois thread, oir where
oi send soimethoing.. noithoing strange, oir to use bookoish's expression.. they're throiwoin'
theoir shyte aboiut the place.. BUT that seems to be welcoime oin manageroial eyes, oi never heard
any manager speakoin' aboiut that when sayoin' stuff aboiut the gooid of the "coimmunoity"..

"As a noid to coivoiloity" was oine phrase.. Oi soimetoimes ask meself have soime managers heard
any of the Pogues' song oin theoir loife.. when oi read theoir statements oit makes
me woinder! judgoin' by soime actions and wroitoings, soime doin't seem far away froim statoin'
that Pogues' lyroics aren't exactly approiproiate foir the coimmunoity..

what oi do apprecoiate seeoin' me froiends oince agaoin.. Slaointe to Medusa oi knoiw !
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Re: The Saga of Irish Rover And The Crew(censorshoipped edition)

Post Wed Jul 30, 2008 9:41 pm

And there we are then.
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Re: The Saga of Irish Rover And The Crew(censorshoipped edition)

Post Wed Jul 30, 2008 11:44 pm

'til next time. :roll:
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Re: The Saga of Irish Rover And The Crew(censorshoipped edition)

Post Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:44 am

You should all know better by now. Especially "Guest" who scarcely merits reply in the first place.
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Re: The Saga of Irish Rover And The Crew(censorshoipped edition)

Post Thu Jul 31, 2008 12:26 pm

Oirish is cool.

I agree that reading him may be a little bit difficult sometimes, but when you have deciphered it, it's definitely worth reading. And I have to admit that I wish that I could write English as good as he can.
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Re: The Saga of Irish Rover And The Crew(censorshoipped edition)

Post Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:15 pm

loneghan doyle wrote:Well I guess, fiddly i -e-o, if you can't beat them diddly, then why not fiddly i fiddly doo join them. Is this ok? Can I pretend too?



Loneghan. Didn't you serve your apprenticeship as Celtic Dave's translator a few years ago. Translating Oirish should be a doddle for you.
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