Dranouter 8.8.2010

[Rob]

I think that every band or performer could convince an adience in one way or another. Of course the smooth and all american way Solomon Burke does, couldn't be the way the Pogues should convince an adience. But Mr. Chevron, don't you agree with me that The Pogues these days are above all a very nice party for the real fans? and that it is very hard for the Pogues to convince an adience that isn't very into the Pogues?

[philipchevron]

I think that every band or performer could convince an adience in one way or another. Of course the smooth and all american way Solomon Burke does, couldn't be the way the Pogues should convince an adience. But Mr. Chevron, don't you agree with me that The Pogues these days are above all a very nice party for the real fans? and that it is very hard for the Pogues to convince an adience that isn't very into the Pogues?

Well, I'm not sure The Pogues are on a mission to make converts. If people haven't made up their minds about us by now, I shouldn't think we'll bother waiting for them to catch up and join the party. Poguetry exists in three time zones simultaneously: Pogues Past Historic, Pogues Present, and Pogues Future Historic. That last one is the one that, strictly speaking, hasn't taken place yet - it's the one in which people listen to our old records and exclaim "What a band! I wish I'd seen them live!"

[soulfinger]

Sebast...you've convinced me...i'm gonna listen exclusively to Barry Manilow and Cliff Richard in future...many thanks xxx

Yeah, like you don't already.

[soulfinger]

I think that every band or performer could convince an adience in one way or another. Of course the smooth and all american way Solomon Burke does, couldn't be the way the Pogues should convince an adience. But Mr. Chevron, don't you agree with me that The Pogues these days are above all a very nice party for the real fans? and that it is very hard for the Pogues to convince an adience that isn't very into the Pogues?

I've seen Solomon Burke live once (he doesn't come round very often) but he was fabulous. He didn't however seem to be able to stand for most of the duration of his show, singing from his throne instead.

I have seen the Pogues 50+ times. Only on two occasions has the lead singer not been been able to stand. On each of those occasions, the not standing was of short (but engagingly dramatic) duration. By my calculation, this means the Pogues lead singer has been vertical for at least 96% of the Pogues concerts I have seen. This is a much greater vertical percentage than achieved in my experience of watching Mr Burke with his 0%. Isn't maths wonderful.

[old barney greyheron]

oh my ribs...ello soulfinger.

[Rob]

I think that every band or performer could convince an adience in one way or another. Of course the smooth and all american way Solomon Burke does, couldn't be the way the Pogues should convince an adience. But Mr. Chevron, don't you agree with me that The Pogues these days are above all a very nice party for the real fans? and that it is very hard for the Pogues to convince an adience that isn't very into the Pogues?

I've seen Solomon Burke live once (he doesn't come round very often) but he was fabulous. He didn't however seem to be able to stand for most of the duration of his show, singing from his throne instead.

I have seen the Pogues 50+ times. Only on two occasions has the lead singer not been been able to stand. On each of those occasions, the not standing was of short (but engagingly dramatic) duration. By my calculation, this means the Pogues lead singer has been vertical for at least 96% of the Pogues concerts I have seen. This is a much greater vertical percentage than achieved in my experience of watching Mr Burke with his 0%. Isn't maths wonderful.

That could be true, but doesn't say a thing about how the show/performance has been experienced by the audience.

[Rob]

I think that every band or performer could convince an adience in one way or another. Of course the smooth and all american way Solomon Burke does, couldn't be the way the Pogues should convince an adience. But Mr. Chevron, don't you agree with me that The Pogues these days are above all a very nice party for the real fans? and that it is very hard for the Pogues to convince an adience that isn't very into the Pogues?

Well, I'm not sure The Pogues are on a mission to make converts. If people haven't made up their minds about us by now, I shouldn't think we'll bother waiting for them to catch up and join the party. Poguetry exists in three time zones simultaneously: Pogues Past Historic, Pogues Present, and Pogues Future Historic. That last one is the one that, strictly speaking, hasn't taken place yet - it's the one in which people listen to our old records and exclaim "What a band! I wish I'd seen them live!"

I agree, but it doesn't answer my question....

[philipchevron]

I think that every band or performer could convince an adience in one way or another. Of course the smooth and all american way Solomon Burke does, couldn't be the way the Pogues should convince an adience. But Mr. Chevron, don't you agree with me that The Pogues these days are above all a very nice party for the real fans? and that it is very hard for the Pogues to convince an adience that isn't very into the Pogues?

Well, I'm not sure The Pogues are on a mission to make converts. If people haven't made up their minds about us by now, I shouldn't think we'll bother waiting for them to catch up and join the party. Poguetry exists in three time zones simultaneously: Pogues Past Historic, Pogues Present, and Pogues Future Historic. That last one is the one that, strictly speaking, hasn't taken place yet - it's the one in which people listen to our old records and exclaim "What a band! I wish I'd seen them live!"

I agree, but it doesn't answer my question....

Perhaps your question has no answer. Or no answer within my frame of reference. I think I've made it clear I do not consider it part of my job to "convince" anyone about the Pogues, least of all "an audience that isn't very into the Pogues". If 39 years of paid gigging has taught me anything, it's fuck 'em if they don't like what's on offer.

[Doktor Avalanche]

I think that every band or performer could convince an adience in one way or another. Of course the smooth and all american way Solomon Burke does, couldn't be the way the Pogues should convince an adience. But Mr. Chevron, don't you agree with me that The Pogues these days are above all a very nice party for the real fans? and that it is very hard for the Pogues to convince an adience that isn't very into the Pogues?

Well, I'm not sure The Pogues are on a mission to make converts. If people haven't made up their minds about us by now, I shouldn't think we'll bother waiting for them to catch up and join the party. Poguetry exists in three time zones simultaneously: Pogues Past Historic, Pogues Present, and Pogues Future Historic. That last one is the one that, strictly speaking, hasn't taken place yet - it's the one in which people listen to our old records and exclaim "What a band! I wish I'd seen them live!"

I agree, but it doesn't answer my question....

Perhaps your question has no answer. Or no answer within my frame of reference. I think I've made it clear I do not consider it part of my job to "convince" anyone about the Pogues, least of all "an audience that isn't very into the Pogues". If 39 years of paid gigging has taught me anything, it's fuck 'em if they don't like what's on offer.

Here Here (or is it hear hear?). If you don't like it, leave.

[Sebastien - Lapin]

I'm converted to the Pogues for 20 years
and I like the Band so I did'nt want to leave at Dranouter.

But, objectively, let me confirm that the Dranouter Gig was one of the minor gigs (and probably the worst) from the Pogues (I have seen approximately 16 gigs).

So, don't change the debat please, the cause was'nt to find in the lame audience : there was a lot of fans in Dranouter but people were very disappointed during the firsts songs. I just want to blame Shane and a part of the musicians who looked very tired, and certainly not the audience.

But I stay fan, hope better days, and don't turn or convert to S.Burke