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Mixing up the set list? (Was: Question fir Mr Chevron)

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Re: Mixing up the set list? (Was: Question fir Mr Chevron)

Post Sun Dec 27, 2009 1:13 pm

philipchevron wrote:Seems to me that where people are not applauding the addition of "Metropolis" to recent shows, they are bitching about the alleged same-old-same-old quality of the set, proving you can never adequately please all of the people all of the time. We cannot reintroduce "Young Ned Of The Hill" for three or four consecutive shows without taking flak for then "dropping" it again. So, as I mentioned before, we tend to please ourselves. We've always understood that if, in pleasing ourselves, we cease to please our audiences, well, they will simply stop coming to see us and that, friends, is the bargain every single person who goes into the show business accepts from the moment they step on a stage. Fortunately, we have, for the most part, been blessed with a following which understands that when I, or somebody else in the band, makes the claim in an interview that what we play is living, breathing words and music that exists anew for us each time we play it, it is not a bullshit claim but a reaffirmation of the essential timelessness of the Pogues' songs.

However, all of this is, in some ways, beside the point. The original poster wanted to know why we continually short-changed him/her by playing the same songs over and over again for almost 30 years/almost 10 years, which was apparent to me from the original question, even if the poster believed s/he was disguising it by asking whether the BAND ever got bored of playing the same songs. And quite simply, a dishonest question does not merit an honest answer. By the time the poster, masquerading as usual as "Guest" had gotten around to letting us know what was really on his/her mind, s/he had, inevitably, descended into the customary yed-be-nothing-without-Shane-and-yer-all-a-shower-of-breadheads-anyway rant, a feature of which we have all, by now, become strangely and unaccountably fond. I for one would feel the year had not been celebrated fully had we not heard from our curmudgeonly friend, though i do serve notice that he/she save this reply for posterity, as it is the only one he/she will ever get. Perhaps "Guest" can drag it up from the Medusa archives every year for reappraisal until such time as, say, boredome sets in from the endless repetition.


Now Philip tell the truth is it not you posting as guest to keep the tradition alive???
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Re: Mixing up the set list? (Was: Question fir Mr Chevron)

Post Sun Dec 27, 2009 1:15 pm

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philipchevron wrote:Seems to me that where people are not applauding the addition of "Metropolis" to recent shows, they are bitching about the alleged same-old-same-old quality of the set, proving you can never adequately please all of the people all of the time. We cannot reintroduce "Young Ned Of The Hill" for three or four consecutive shows without taking flak for then "dropping" it again. So, as I mentioned before, we tend to please ourselves. We've always understood that if, in pleasing ourselves, we cease to please our audiences, well, they will simply stop coming to see us and that, friends, is the bargain every single person who goes into the show business accepts from the moment they step on a stage. Fortunately, we have, for the most part, been blessed with a following which understands that when I, or somebody else in the band, makes the claim in an interview that what we play is living, breathing words and music that exists anew for us each time we play it, it is not a bullshit claim but a reaffirmation of the essential timelessness of the Pogues' songs.

However, all of this is, in some ways, beside the point. The original poster wanted to know why we continually short-changed him/her by playing the same songs over and over again for almost 30 years/almost 10 years, which was apparent to me from the original question, even if the poster believed s/he was disguising it by asking whether the BAND ever got bored of playing the same songs. And quite simply, a dishonest question does not merit an honest answer. By the time the poster, masquerading as usual as "Guest" had gotten around to letting us know what was really on his/her mind, s/he had, inevitably, descended into the customary yed-be-nothing-without-Shane-and-yer-all-a-shower-of-breadheads-anyway rant, a feature of which we have all, by now, become strangely and unaccountably fond. I for one would feel the year had not been celebrated fully had we not heard from our curmudgeonly friend, though i do serve notice that he/she save this reply for posterity, as it is the only one he/she will ever get. Perhaps "Guest" can drag it up from the Medusa archives every year for reappraisal until such time as, say, boredome sets in from the endless repetition.


Now Philip tell the truth is it not you posting as guest to keep the tradition alive???


Dang!
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Post Sun Dec 27, 2009 1:39 pm

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RICHB wrote:
philipchevron wrote:Seems to me that where people are not applauding the addition of "Metropolis" to recent shows, they are bitching about the alleged same-old-same-old quality of the set, proving you can never adequately please all of the people all of the time. We cannot reintroduce "Young Ned Of The Hill" for three or four consecutive shows without taking flak for then "dropping" it again. So, as I mentioned before, we tend to please ourselves. We've always understood that if, in pleasing ourselves, we cease to please our audiences, well, they will simply stop coming to see us and that, friends, is the bargain every single person who goes into the show business accepts from the moment they step on a stage. Fortunately, we have, for the most part, been blessed with a following which understands that when I, or somebody else in the band, makes the claim in an interview that what we play is living, breathing words and music that exists anew for us each time we play it, it is not a bullshit claim but a reaffirmation of the essential timelessness of the Pogues' songs.

However, all of this is, in some ways, beside the point. The original poster wanted to know why we continually short-changed him/her by playing the same songs over and over again for almost 30 years/almost 10 years, which was apparent to me from the original question, even if the poster believed s/he was disguising it by asking whether the BAND ever got bored of playing the same songs. And quite simply, a dishonest question does not merit an honest answer. By the time the poster, masquerading as usual as "Guest" had gotten around to letting us know what was really on his/her mind, s/he had, inevitably, descended into the customary yed-be-nothing-without-Shane-and-yer-all-a-shower-of-breadheads-anyway rant, a feature of which we have all, by now, become strangely and unaccountably fond. I for one would feel the year had not been celebrated fully had we not heard from our curmudgeonly friend, though i do serve notice that he/she save this reply for posterity, as it is the only one he/she will ever get. Perhaps "Guest" can drag it up from the Medusa archives every year for reappraisal until such time as, say, boredome sets in from the endless repetition.


Now Philip tell the truth is it not you posting as guest to keep the tradition alive???


Dang!


Andddd if it hadmt been for us meddling kids..................u would have got away with it :)
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Post Sun Dec 27, 2009 5:45 pm

philipchevron wrote:Bah, humbug!

Funny, as your hats and shoes, Philip! :) Just keep your inner Ebenezer under control or he will control you ;)

philipchevron wrote:Fortunately, we have, for the most part, been blessed with a following which understands that when I, or somebody else in the band, makes the claim in an interview that what we play is living, breathing words and music that exists anew for us each time we play it, it is not a bullshit claim but a reaffirmation of the essential timelessness of the Pogues' songs..

Zealots... easy subject! They can believe anything, essential timelessness included :) But seems you failed to convince Promoters of The East Coast shows recently...
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Post Sun Dec 27, 2009 6:51 pm

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philipchevron wrote:Bah, humbug!

Funny, as your hats and shoes, Philip! :) Just keep your inner Ebenezer under control or he will control you ;)

philipchevron wrote:Fortunately, we have, for the most part, been blessed with a following which understands that when I, or somebody else in the band, makes the claim in an interview that what we play is living, breathing words and music that exists anew for us each time we play it, it is not a bullshit claim but a reaffirmation of the essential timelessness of the Pogues' songs..

Zealots... easy subject! They can believe anything, essential timelessness included :) But seems you failed to convince Promoters of The East Coast shows recently...


Yet Another Guess? No, I'm just not that interested. I'm satisfied that I have narrowed you down potentially to three people and, as none of them are of any consequence to me, you may consider yourself a discarded mouse to my bored cat.
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Post Mon Dec 28, 2009 12:14 pm

Yet Another Guest wrote:Funny, as your hats and shoes, Philip! :) Just keep your inner Ebenezer under control or he will control you ;)

Zealots... easy subject! They can believe anything, essential timelessness included :) But seems you failed to convince Promoters of The East Coast shows recently...




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Post Mon Dec 28, 2009 3:22 pm

Well, switching the subject from the poster's message to the poster's personality is a sure sign there is a point in his words.

So promoters did give the band a break, didn't they?
Why not stop speculations by supplying first hand info ?!
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Post Mon Dec 28, 2009 8:52 pm

Kendra wrote:Why not stop speculations by supplying first hand info ?!


Because it's none of your buisness, is it? Why would the band divulge any info that's got nothing to do with anyone but themselves? Philip did not start the speculation, it was eager fans.
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Post Mon Dec 28, 2009 9:25 pm

Kendra wrote:Well, switching the subject from the poster's message to the poster's personality is a sure sign there is a point in his words.


The poster's original question has been answered, quite eloquently, by several fora members, including Mr Chevron. The discussion deteriorated when 'guest' started acting like a jerk.

Kendra wrote:So promoters did give the band a break, didn't they?
Why not stop speculations by supplying first hand info ?!


What kind of a 'break' are you referring to?
Did the band play fewer gigs than contracted? Were there less taxes paid?
Were the backstage massage tables provided at a lower rate? Was the wanton destruction of hotel rooms ignored?
...ain't it funny how you used to know everybody in these parts...
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Post Sun Jan 03, 2010 3:04 am

I have only seen the Pogues twice (Boston 2007 and 2009) and the setlists were certainly not the same...especially the encores. In 2009 we got Cotton Fields, Greenland, and Kitty...all of which were not played in 2007...and in '07 we got Star of the County Down, Fairytale, Young Ned, and Rain Street...all of which were not played in '09. So I'm not entirely sure how the OP can claim lack of setlist variety.
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