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Post Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:01 am

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firehazard wrote:Kazuo Ishiguro: Never Let Me Go


I read Never Let Me Go last week and hated it more than virtually any book I've ever read! I've been arguing about it with friends ever since.


I read most of it this summer but forgot the book at our holiday place so I'll never know the ending. But I liked the way the ominous truth about the characters' purpose in life creeps up on you right from the beginning, and it is not so far removed from being a possibility that you could dismiss it as completely absurd. Wasn't there some Hollywood film last year on a similar theme?


I don't know, Christine, as I never go to the cinema! But books-wise both Margaret Atwood and PD James (in a foray away from crime fic) did it better, I thought.
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Post Wed Sep 13, 2006 2:29 pm

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TheJackOfHearts wrote:Albert Camus - La Peste in the original French. I've read it in English, so it's an easier read.

Okay, you got me it's for a class at university :) But I really have read the english The Plague


Which is brilliant. Like most of Camus.

There was a weird thing in the news recently about Bush reading The Outsider... was that true?


The Daily Show did a bit on that, but who knows if it's the truth


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TheJackOfHearts wrote:Albert Camus - La Peste in the original French. I've read it in English, so it's an easier read.

Okay, you got me it's for a class at university :) But I really have read the english The Plague


I did that book for my French 'A' Level - I absolutely loved it.


That's cool, the class I am reading it for is my final French class(class for that matter), so I am just happy to get it over with :)
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Post Wed Sep 13, 2006 2:42 pm

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firehazard wrote:There was a weird thing in the news recently about Bush reading The Outsider... was that true?


The Daily Show did a bit on that, but who knows if it's the truth


Ah, yes, that's where I heard it. If it was on The Daily Show, it must be the truth. 8)
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Post Wed Sep 13, 2006 2:55 pm

firehazard wrote:
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firehazard wrote:There was a weird thing in the news recently about Bush reading The Outsider... was that true?


The Daily Show did a bit on that, but who knows if it's the truth


Ah, yes, that's where I heard it. If it was on The Daily Show, it must be the truth. 8)


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Post Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:06 pm

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There was a weird thing in the news recently about Bush reading The Outsider... was that true?



The White House information office did indeed let it be known that Mr Bush's vacation reading was Cam-oo's The Outsider as well as "at least three Shakespeares". If these people had not had an irony bypass years ago, this would almost be funny. Isn't L'Etranger the one about Killing An Arab, the source indeed of the Cure song of the same name? And nobody who "reads" Shakespeare, in whatever quantity, in preference to, say, going to see Shakespeare performed in, like, a theatre, should be elected village idiot, much less President of the Greatest Liberal Democracy In History.

Plus, Cam-oo was a cheese-eating surrender monkey. What will The Base think??? :shock:
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Post Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:12 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpDO4PCHGz0

He's got "a eck-uh-leck-tic " reading list.

(And for what it's worth, I don't believe that he read the biographies of Joe DiMaggio and/or Theodore Roosevelt either...)
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Post Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:26 pm

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Christine wrote:I read most of it this summer but forgot the book at our holiday place so I'll never know the ending.
I heard somewhere that the butler did it, that the boat sank, and that Darth Vader ended up being Luke's dad.


Dammit, and I hadn't quite finished the book. How could you, DzM? :wink:


At least he didn't tell you about Rosebud...
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Post Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:58 pm

philipchevron wrote:
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There was a weird thing in the news recently about Bush reading The Outsider... was that true?



Isn't L'Etranger the one about Killing An Arab, the source indeed of the Cure song of the same name?


That's the one. And it's been claimed Bohemian Rhapsody was based on it as well . . .
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Post Thu Sep 14, 2006 7:19 am

philipchevron wrote: Isn't L'Etranger the one about Killing An Arab, the source indeed of the Cure song of the same name?


It is indeed. First read it at school at the age of about 16. In French. Though it was pretty brilliant then. I sort of guess that Bush didn't read it in the French...
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Post Thu Sep 14, 2006 7:31 am

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Christine wrote:I read most of it this summer but forgot the book at our holiday place so I'll never know the ending.
I heard somewhere that the butler did it, that the boat sank, and that Darth Vader ended up being Luke's dad.


Dammit, and I hadn't quite finished the book. How could you, DzM? :wink:


At least he didn't tell you about Rosebud...


Oh so mean! :lol:
I really must get on and finish that book... too many distractions.

Memo to self: Do not put a book in this thread till you have finished reading it. :wink:
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Post Thu Sep 14, 2006 11:45 am

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philipchevron wrote: Isn't L'Etranger the one about Killing An Arab, the source indeed of the Cure song of the same name?


It is indeed. First read it at school at the age of about 16. In French. Though it was pretty brilliant then. I sort of guess that Bush didn't read it in the French...


I sort of guess Bush didn't read it. Period. Nobody reads Cam-oo once they've passed 15.
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Post Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:29 pm

philipchevron wrote:
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philipchevron wrote: Isn't L'Etranger the one about Killing An Arab, the source indeed of the Cure song of the same name?


It is indeed. First read it at school at the age of about 16. In French. Though it was pretty brilliant then. I sort of guess that Bush didn't read it in the French...


I sort of guess Bush didn't read it. Period. Nobody reads Cam-oo once they've passed 15.


On which basis, Bush might just have managed it. Assuming he's finished My Pet Goat, of course.
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Post Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:33 pm

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philipchevron wrote: Isn't L'Etranger the one about Killing An Arab, the source indeed of the Cure song of the same name?


It is indeed. First read it at school at the age of about 16. In French. Though it was pretty brilliant then. I sort of guess that Bush didn't read it in the French...


I sort of guess Bush didn't read it. Period. Nobody reads Cam-oo once they've passed 15.


That has reminded of Eric Cantona signing for Leeds and saying in a press conference that his hero was Rimbauld. The next Leeds game saw hundreds of fans In Sly Stallone First Blood t-shirts who thought the great man had said Rambo. :lol:
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Post Thu Sep 14, 2006 3:41 pm

philipchevron wrote:WILL AND ME Dominic Dromgoole


an extract from the book I especially like:

"At the very moment when we suffered most acutely from a need for imagination - when we couldn't even muster the primary school insight that everyone east of Berlin was probably pretty much the same as everyone west of Berlin - just at that moment, cultural functionaries of left and right ploughed in to destroy anyone who had any. We are stumbling into the same idiocy now, with two camps of two-dimensional villains, the neo-cons and the jihadists, both shutting down the capacity for imaginative compassion, for themselves and their followers, so they can crush the humans in the middle. It's at just these moments when we most need art, real bold imaginative art, that the oxygen supply for such art is most drastically reduced.

"It was at just such a moment in an entirely different context that Shakespeare appeared and dazzled his audience with the complexity of the human. The tension that stretched the solar plexus of his world tight was the rift straining Europe to breaking point between Catholic and Protestant. Each country was split, each village, each family. Shakespeare's father, as a Stratford alderman, had to enthusiastically toe the authority line and assist in the destruction of Catholic icons; at home he was [it seems likely - Chevron] hiding Catholic documents in the tiling of his roof. Shakespeare's cousins were executed for Catholic conspiracy, and their heads would have adorned poles affixed to London Bridge when he first arrived in town. Which side are you on? Where is your allegiance? What is your history? All these questions would flicker through each brain on meeting any stranger. All of them would be asked out loud by the forces of either side, followed by the statement of today's stupidity, 'If you're not with us, you're against us' It is a horrible reduction of the human capability, an insult to the human potential.

"All the every-action-is-political baloney which we lived through in a minor key [in the 1980s], Shakespeare and his time had to live through as if under a magnifying glass. Small wonder the Stratford man kept his cloak of privacy so tightly wrapped round himself. And great wonder that he reacted to this state with the most wilfully perverse response imaginable. He decimated the stupidity within the distinction between Catholic and Protestant, within any grotesque distinction between people, by presenting in the display case of his work all the infinite variety of human nature. He didn't retreat into taking sides, or into some defeatist despair. He banged out year after year, with the energy of a zealot, art that said here, here is the human, and here is the world, here, here and here. It is infinite, and none of you can shut it into any of your vicious little boxes."

(Pages 119-120)

Whichever "three Shakespeares" the little President took for light reading to Crawford, Texas, it's a fair bet he failed to glean any enlightenment of this order from them.
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