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Guest wrote:They could do a Pogues unplugged album.Thousands , Old Main Drag etc....

How, exactly, would a "Pogues Unplugged" be substantially different than the Pogues we know and love?

I can't help but think that a Pogues "Unplugged" album would sound the exactly the same as one plugged in.

Yeah,you are probably right.I just love the bands early stuff like Leaving of Liverpool ,Wild Rover ,Waxies Dargle...you know back to the roots stuff

Eric V wrote:In If I should Fall from Grace With God, the DVD documentary, Nick Cave is interviewed and they are discussing the unravelling of the Pogues. He refers to Shane's (and I said "others" above because it possibly wasn't just Shane) condition and how several shows degenerated into (I think)Rolling Stones covers, etc... I believe Shane was aware of teh final product, so lets not discuss Mr. Cave's accuracy... If Shane wanted it cut, I'm sure it would have been.

From that and other readings I gathered that at some point as Shane was on the way out, the Pogues played crowd pleasers to get through the tour.
True or not.

Yeah it's not true! But it's not your mistake. It's Nick Cave's. Cherry-picking facts to back up his fading impressions of the band's demise. A cover of Honky Tonk Woman was released as a b-side in '88, the year of If I Should Fall, 3 years before Shane left and arguably their peak year. (The Stones are Spider's fav all time band and he sang it) It was occasionally played at encores and went down really well. But no gigs ever degenerated into the band playing covers to please the crowd. The Pogues were (are!) a big band. Right up to the end people went to their concerts wanting to hear pogues songs, these are the crowd pleasers! not the cover versions (Honky Tonk, My Girl, Darklands, White Light White Heat ..) which were occasionally thrown into the set for fun.

Anonymous wrote:

Eric V wrote:In If I should Fall from Grace With God, the DVD documentary, Nick Cave is interviewed and they are discussing the unravelling of the Pogues. He refers to Shane's (and I said "others" above because it possibly wasn't just Shane) condition and how several shows degenerated into (I think)Rolling Stones covers, etc... I believe Shane was aware of teh final product, so lets not discuss Mr. Cave's accuracy... If Shane wanted it cut, I'm sure it would have been.

From that and other readings I gathered that at some point as Shane was on the way out, the Pogues played crowd pleasers to get through the tour.
True or not.

Yeah it's not true! But it's not your mistake. It's Nick Cave's. Cherry-picking facts to back up his fading impressions of the band's demise. A cover of Honky Tonk Woman was released as a b-side in '88, the year of If I Should Fall, 3 years before Shane left and arguably their peak year. (The Stones are Spider's fav all time band and he sang it) It was occasionally played at encores and went down really well. But no gigs ever degenerated into the band playing covers to please the crowd. The Pogues were (are!) a big band. Right up to the end people went to their concerts wanting to hear pogues songs, these are the crowd pleasers! not the cover versions (Honky Tonk, My Girl, Darklands, White Light White Heat ..) which were occasionally thrown into the set for fun.

I agree with you Eric V and Nick Cave doesn't seem to know anything about the Pogues
Don't forget Maggie May
They have always mixed covers and traditional stuff with their own songs
So the idea of an album filled with a mix of traditional songs, covers and their own material is not a suspect idea at all
It's a really coooool idea and you must remember as I said before It's up to the Pogues to take the decision if they want to do a new album.
Tchad Blake, Rick Rubin or Tom Waits would be the perfect producer of the album

What about VH1 Story Tellers?

Anonymous wrote:

Eric V wrote:In If I should Fall from Grace With God, the DVD documentary, Nick Cave is interviewed and they are discussing the unravelling of the Pogues. He refers to Shane's (and I said "others" above because it possibly wasn't just Shane) condition and how several shows degenerated into (I think)Rolling Stones covers, etc... I believe Shane was aware of teh final product, so lets not discuss Mr. Cave's accuracy... If Shane wanted it cut, I'm sure it would have been.

From that and other readings I gathered that at some point as Shane was on the way out, the Pogues played crowd pleasers to get through the tour.
True or not.

Yeah it's not true! But it's not your mistake. It's Nick Cave's. Cherry-picking facts to back up his fading impressions of the band's demise. A cover of Honky Tonk Woman was released as a b-side in '88, the year of If I Should Fall, 3 years before Shane left and arguably their peak year. (The Stones are Spider's fav all time band and he sang it) It was occasionally played at encores and went down really well. But no gigs ever degenerated into the band playing covers to please the crowd. The Pogues were (are!) a big band. Right up to the end people went to their concerts wanting to hear pogues songs, these are the crowd pleasers! not the cover versions (Honky Tonk, My Girl, Darklands, White Light White Heat ..) which were occasionally thrown into the set for fun.

Thanks for that "guest". Your clear articulation of the facts leads me to believe that you actually know what you are talking about. I stand corrected. Though I believe Nick was an "insider" on the scene at the time, and had his own impressions, maybe his story was somehow tainted by the production of the documentary.

No one can remember the last time Nick Cave saw the Pogues. Happy New Year!!

Happy new year!!!

Mr Chevron
If, I say If the Pogues will do a new album do you have any favourite producer

celticjunk wrote:Mr Chevron
If, I say If the Pogues will do a new album do you have any favourite producer

That's a loaded question but top marks for asking it!

philipchevron wrote:

celticjunk wrote:Mr Chevron
If, I say If the Pogues will do a new album do you have any favourite producer

That's a loaded question but top marks for asking it!

Tchad Blake would be a very good choice!

His work with the Bad Plus is excellent. He somehow manages to capture a "live" feeling on a recorded album.

Here's a great idea:
Because Ronan Keating covered one of your songs, you all should get together and do a "Boyzone" cover album.
It's only fair.

Sound.