Streams Of Whiskey live CD

**Fri Jan 07, 2005 4:27 pm**

As for Streams of Whiskey, I like it too. Yeah, there are some flaws to the sound (the barely audible vocal at the beginning of Young Ned especially), but it seems fine to me nonetheless. Shane is in a good form, the performance has spice... I can understand the band are annoyed that it was published without their consent, but I think it is no disgrace to them and a pretty enjoyable recording.

**Thu Jan 27, 2005 10:50 pm**

I was browsing the Pogues listings on http://www.mymusic.ca and I was surprised to see that there appears to be a DualDisc in the works of the "Streams Of Whiskey" release. I know that there are some issues with this release, and the recording is not the best, but I was curious if anybody knew anything about what is to be on the DVD side of the DualDisc? I know this disc was also released in DVD Audio format, so maybe that's all that's on there? Anybody know anything?

Thanks for any insight....

**Thu Jan 27, 2005 11:33 pm**

This piece of shit has now been made available in about 5 different formats, most risibly of all as a pricey double-album on 180 gm Virgin Vinyl, which is a bit like tarting up a trashy airport novel in a deluxe leather-bound "edition". It is destined to follow us to the grave, thanks to an unfortunate legal loophole.

This was a Swiss RADIO broadcast, mixed, very poorly, by the radio engineers as the concert was being broadcast in the radio. It almost immediately turned up as the "Live On Rain Street" bootleg and had already been cloned from that several times before its first so-called "official" release in January 2002. It is a third rate recording of only an OK Pogues show. When you consider that we recorded proper live albums in 1987, 1988, 1990 and 1991, with multi-track mobile recording facilities, and shelved ALL of them (except for a few b sides) because we felt they did not do us justice, it is INFURUATING that this artefact slipped out in the manner it did.

The "luxury" vinyl edition of "Streams of Whiskey" which came out a few months ago carried the following sleeve note, which I consider one of the most insulting pieces ever written about The Pogues:

“When the Pogues disbanded in 1996, many people asked themselves when they would find another crazy bunch of Irish beer drinkers with a penchant for folk-punk like these. Led by the now legendary Shane MacGowan – and briefly fronted by the Clash’s Joe Strummer -- the Pogues recorded this live concert in Switzerland in 1991 in front of an audience eager for their music and all the rest. Streams of Whisky features MacGowan’s group at its best – or worst since it is impossible to know whether the Pogues were more convincing when drunk and out of tune or sober and technically more satisfying – shooting out 16 of their best tunes in a highly inebriating – and inebriated - night."

Garbage. Illiterate garbage too.

I cannot stress too strongly: the FIRST Pogues live album we have been prepared to put our name to, because we are unequivocally proud of its contents, is the one that will be released by Warner Music in the UK on March 14, with international editions to follow.

**Fri Jan 28, 2005 11:50 am**

Mr Chevron,

I hear you.. Must have felt kind of bad when the record company released such a record without your approval, especially during such circumstances. And that sleeve text is just utterly childish and stupid.
Yet- I don't think you should be ashamed of this record.
It's an alright recording of a great band, and I suppose the majority of the people who buys it are the diehard Pogues fans- Those who already know what The Pogues are capable of when it comes to live performance. Im sure they fetch "Live at the town and county" before this one for example.

And yeah; lets hope that your new live record will kill of the sales of "Streams of whiskey".

**Sat Feb 12, 2005 12:58 am**

Philip, sorry if I brought up a touchy subject but it was just idle curiosity. When this was originally released, I resisted for as long as I could, but eventually gave in and bought the piece of shit. I have been a huge fan for a long time now, and the opportunity to buy something new (even if it's not technically new) presents itself so rarely that my willpower is easily overcome.

On that note, this is a great time for Pogues fans and I truly hope the forthcoming and recent releases are able to make the Pogues music a little more easily accessible to new fans while giving us older fans a long awaited update of our collections.

**Sat Feb 12, 2005 4:49 pm**

I think the gig is very good. But my opinion, as a fan, is propably not entirely objective.

I downloaded it from the internet, as I often do before I make the decision whether or not to buy it. This time I will not buy it and the reasons behind this decision have nothing to do with the quality or enjoyment of the piece (of shit).

**Sun Jun 12, 2005 7:14 pm**

I got the CD/DVD last week, I'm pissed at the fact it's not a CD or a DVD I'd like to find some pictures from that gig could someone help?

**Sat Dec 31, 2005 8:50 am**

You know,I don't know why this is so bastardized....sure there are some mishaps,but what am I missing????Everybody jumps on this like..don't buy it...don't listen to it....we never recorded it...It's still a pretty fucking good Pogues show...live recordings are just that.....live.....and add a couple of gallons of alcohol....it's not going to be perfect...unless it's record company garbage,I really don't understand why you guys don't stand by this recording??I've heard unauthorized Shane stuff that was WAY worse than this.Sorry I went on so long,just as it goes on,and Dirty Ol' Town is on in the background,I can't understand anybody not getting it...gotta be corporate shite.........

**Sat Dec 31, 2005 9:06 am**

Shane does go a bit overboard on Yeah,Yeah......but you guys were all fucked up!!!It's like a time capsule,I'm glad that you guys took the next step.GOOD FOR YOU!!!He'll never stop,but let's hope that he outlives us!!

**Sat Dec 31, 2005 1:01 pm**

I think the band's main quarrel with said bootleg is because they don't (at least from what I read) recieve any royalties on it. I've never heard it before, so I don't feel qualified to comment on its quality. I can see though that people will always buy these kind of things. My biggest problem with this bootleg though is that seemingly reputable music stores (not naming names, but there are some major chains out there) sell this against the band's wishes, even going so far as to add smartass comments on their websites about how the band doesn't want people to buy it followed by something along the lines of "who cares?"

**Sat Dec 31, 2005 6:12 pm**

It's a bootleg?Why is it for sale on Amazon,in Best Buy,etc.,if it's a boot??If the band doesn't receive any royalties from it,case closed & I understand why.

**Sat Dec 31, 2005 6:27 pm**

We now get paid - sort of - for this album, but we have been unable to prevent its distribution because of legal technicalities. A similar situation pertains to the Town and Country DVD, although in the latter case, we always quite liked the two Billy Magra films contained therein and our gripe was the manufacturer missed an opportunity to remaster the fims and add extra material.

Again, Live On Rain Street was fine as a bootleg for people who like to collect such souvenirs. To present it as a legitimate Pogues live album was to invite justifiable criticism of the quality control which, in turn, reflects badly on the Pogues' integrity and could have caused irreparable damage to our reputation as one of the best live bands in the world.

In truth, the record company made an own goal for themselves. When they scheduled Streams Of Whiskey for release in January 2002, quite the last thing on their mind was the possibility that yer actual, original, legitimate, not to say litigious Pogues would be reforming in December 2001.

**Mon Jan 02, 2006 6:40 pm**

The main faults with the "Streams ...." bootleg is that the sound drops off in the middle of the show and you can't hear Terry's vocals at the start of "... Ned ..."

**Tue Jan 03, 2006 12:34 am**

Phillip, just out of curiosity, has there ever been any thought given to officially releasing an "archive" live CD from sometime in the late 80s? I understand you put out the Brixton 2001 disc to counteract this 'streams of whiskey' album, but assuming you recorded some shows for possible release during the initial run from 1985 on, wouldn't that do, too?

(Me, I'd love a live album from that period. Of course, I'd love to see one of those deals where you can buy a copy of every concert just after it happens...but that's just me being greedy.)

**Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:18 am**

Well, I have both CDs ('Streams of Whiskey' and the one live at Brixton 2001), and I can say that I like both CDs. It's true that there are a couple of mistakes at 'Streams of Whiskey', for example when Terry's vocals cound't be heard at 'Young Ned of the Hill' as a "guest" member said a few lines above. Anyway, I particularly like 'Streams of Whiskey' because I am a wholehearted supporter of the Pogues, but those people who just "like" the Pogues and listen to 'Streams of Whiskey' without having heard the Brixton CD or having assisted to any gig, I UNDERSTAND that 'Streams of Whiskey' CD could dissuade them of going to a gig of the Pogues. It wouldn't be my case, because I am a wholehearted supporter, but I understand that the Pogues wouldn't earn a living just thanks to us the wholehearted fans.

For example, let's talk about 'Sink That Bottle' CD. My first live show of the Pogues was at the Azkena Rock Festival in the Basque Country, and I bought there 'Streams Of Whiskey' and the Brixton CD (but I wasn't able to hear them until I arrived at home). So, when I went to the show, I had heard only 30 seconds of each song from the 'Sink That Bottle' CD, and it really sounded to me awful. Anyway, I went to the concert just thinking that it would be a bad concert, just for enjoying the nostalgia, but I didn't expect it to be a good concert at all. However, I had a very good surprise as I saw it was really a very good concert. If that concert didn't have such a sentimental value for me, after hearing 'Sink That Bottle', I think I wouldn't have assisted to the gig.

So, that's why I UNDERSTAND what Philip says. As I said before, a music band can't live on its wholehearted supporters.

Sorry for my English.

Carlos.

Streams Of Whiskey live CD

"Streams Of Whiskey" DualDisc

Piece of Shit

Streams Of Whiskey

Streams Of Whiskey Live cd

OK

'Sink That Bottle' / 'Streams of Whiskey' / Brixton 2001

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