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-Club Owner to Pogues:"You'll never play Baltimore again"

PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:39 pm
by MacRua
Club Owner to Pogues: "You'll never play Baltimore again."
By John Lewis
March 18th, 2009

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"You'll never play Baltimore again." That's what former 8x10 owner Dickie Gammerman told The Pogues' Spider Stacy after a particularly sloppy show at 8x10 in 1985, not long after the release of Rum, Sodomy, and the Lash.

Spider chuckles at the memory, during a recent chat about the band and its relationship to Baltimore, . "When we got to the club, the owner told us we had the run of the bar," he recalls. "Well, I don't think the fellow knew what he was getting into, but we took him at his word."

And thus, a band known for its indulgences proceeded to overindulge. The fact that Spider remembers that particular show 25 years after the fact says something about the extent of it. "Let's just say that it resulted in a show that wasn't as cohesive as it might have been," he says. "And we were told we'd never play Baltimore again."

Spider laughs. "That almost turned out to be true," he says, before pointing out that 23 years elapsed before The Pogues returned for a 2008 show at Rams Head. "The audience last year was fantastic. We love Baltimore."

He mentions Edgar Allan Poe, crab cakes, and The Wire, which featured Pogues' songs in various episodes during the show's five year run. "The Wire is about the best thing I've ever seen on TV," says Spider, who fondly recalls meeting the show's creator, David Simon, during last year's tour.

He also met Martin O'Malley. When asked if he's heard the governor/former mayor's band, he says, "I have, actually."

Pause.

The silence is, by Spider's admission, judicious. "That said, there are thousands of bands like that, who are out there having a great time," he says. "There's certainly nothing wrong with that."

He goes on to say The Pogues are having a great time, perhaps more so than at any other time in their long history. "It used to be that we had to tour, night after night, to support a new album," he says. "These days, we tour because we want to, and the vibe is completely different. Obviously, the money's good, but we don't have the sense that we're on a treadmill. There's no pressure on us."

It also doesn't hurt that various members of the band no longer overindulge. "Most of us are pretty clear headed," says Spider. "Musically, we're actually better than we used to be."

Tuesday night's show at the 9:30 Club proved that. Over the course of two dozen songs, the band gave a transcendent performance. Sure, vocalist Shane McGowan wasn't particularly clear headed, but he belted out songs such as "Bottle of Smoke," "Turkish Song of the Damned," and "A Pair of Brown Eyes" with a rich combination of moxie and muscle. Around him, a swirl of accordion, guitar, bass, banjo, drums, and Spider's tin whistle jolted Irish tradition with blasts of British punk rock . The band's raucous version of "Body of an American" would have made Bunk and McNulty proud.

And Spider isn't kidding. The Pogues have never sounded better.

Re: Club Owner to Pogues:"You'll never play Baltimore again"

PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 4:32 pm
by philipchevron
MacRua wrote:Club Owner to Pogues: "You'll never play Baltimore again."
By John Lewis
March 18th, 2009

Full URL

"You'll never play Baltimore again." That's what former 8x10 owner Dickie Gammerman told The Pogues' Spider Stacy after a particularly sloppy show at 8x10 in 1985, not long after the release of Rum, Sodomy, and the Lash.

Spider chuckles at the memory, during a recent chat about the band and its relationship to Baltimore, . "When we got to the club, the owner told us we had the run of the bar," he recalls. "Well, I don't think the fellow knew what he was getting into, but we took him at his word."

And thus, a band known for its indulgences proceeded to overindulge. The fact that Spider remembers that particular show 25 years after the fact says something about the extent of it. "Let's just say that it resulted in a show that wasn't as cohesive as it might have been," he says. "And we were told we'd never play Baltimore again."

Spider laughs. "That almost turned out to be true," he says, before pointing out that 23 years elapsed before The Pogues returned for a 2008 show at Rams Head. "The audience last year was fantastic. We love Baltimore."

He mentions Edgar Allan Poe, crab cakes, and The Wire, which featured Pogues' songs in various episodes during the show's five year run. "The Wire is about the best thing I've ever seen on TV," says Spider, who fondly recalls meeting the show's creator, David Simon, during last year's tour.

He also met Martin O'Malley. When asked if he's heard the governor/former mayor's band, he says, "I have, actually."

Pause.

The silence is, by Spider's admission, judicious. "That said, there are thousands of bands like that, who are out there having a great time," he says. "There's certainly nothing wrong with that."

He goes on to say The Pogues are having a great time, perhaps more so than at any other time in their long history. "It used to be that we had to tour, night after night, to support a new album," he says. "These days, we tour because we want to, and the vibe is completely different. Obviously, the money's good, but we don't have the sense that we're on a treadmill. There's no pressure on us."

It also doesn't hurt that various members of the band no longer overindulge. "Most of us are pretty clear headed," says Spider. "Musically, we're actually better than we used to be."

Tuesday night's show at the 9:30 Club proved that. Over the course of two dozen songs, the band gave a transcendent performance. Sure, vocalist Shane McGowan wasn't particularly clear headed, but he belted out songs such as "Bottle of Smoke," "Turkish Song of the Damned," and "A Pair of Brown Eyes" with a rich combination of moxie and muscle. Around him, a swirl of accordion, guitar, bass, banjo, drums, and Spider's tin whistle jolted Irish tradition with blasts of British punk rock . The band's raucous version of "Body of an American" would have made Bunk and McNulty proud.

And Spider isn't kidding. The Pogues have never sounded better.


The band was great, the singer was not particularly clearheaded, tears were shed for the Famine.

Re: Club Owner to Pogues:"You'll never play Baltimore again"

PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 4:52 pm
by MacRua
The band was great, the singer was not particularly clearheaded, tears were shed for the Famine.

Dunno if 3 years of intensive use is enough to call a joke "old" but this one is well recycled at least.
It has been cracked in 13 different threads since March 2006.
Hope Andrew will helpfully come up with something new by the next tour (and next bunch of reviews to be wittily commented)

Re: Club Owner to Pogues:"You'll never play Baltimore again"

PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 4:56 pm
by philipchevron
MacRua wrote:
The band was great, the singer was not particularly clearheaded, tears were shed for the Famine.

Dunno if 3 years of intensive use is enough to call a joke "old" but this one is well recycled at least.
It has been cracked in 13 different threads since March 2006.
Hope Andrew will helpfully come up with something new by the next tour (and next bunch of reviews to be wittily commented)


I will address the matter at the first available opportunity, hopefully at the AGM.

Re: Club Owner to Pogues:"You'll never play Baltimore again"

PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:24 pm
by DzM
MacRua wrote:
The band was great, the singer was not particularly clearheaded, tears were shed for the Famine.

Dunno if 3 years of intensive use is enough to call a joke "old" but this one is well recycled at least.
It has been cracked in 13 different threads since March 2006.
Hope Andrew will helpfully come up with something new by the next tour (and next bunch of reviews to be wittily commented)

Sometimes it's a smooth and easy transition from "old" to "classic" and "never goes out of style."

Re: Club Owner to Pogues:"You'll never play Baltimore again"

PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 6:29 pm
by CraigBatty
I like it too.

Maybe this might help. :wink:

Treidhe Nua
Bhí an banna go hiontach, ní raibh léir go háirithe an t-amhránaí, shileann na ndeora ar an Gorta Mhór... Iáda, iáda, iáda

A New Triad
The band was fanstatsic, the singer was not... yada, yada, yada.

Keep it up Sensei.

Beir bua!

Re: Club Owner to Pogues:"You'll never play Baltimore again"

PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 7:40 pm
by Spider Stacy
MacRua wrote:

Dunno if 3 years of intensive use is enough to call a joke "old" but this one is well recycled at least.
It has been cracked in 13 different threads since March 2006.
Hope Andrew will helpfully come up with something new by the next tour (and next bunch of reviews to be wittily commented)

Macrua, you just can't help yourself can you.

Re: Club Owner to Pogues:"You'll never play Baltimore again"

PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:27 pm
by soulfinger
The fact that you bothered to count is worrying. Have you made a database so that you can record dates of previous and future use? :?

Based on 13 usages in 36 months, the probability is that it will be used again in the early hours of Wednesday 17th June.

honest soulfinger will give you

2/1 Mr Chevron
7/2 ex fish man
9/2 eric v
16/1 irishbookish
twentyfuckingfive to one oirish
33/1 macrua

Re: Club Owner to Pogues:"You'll never play Baltimore again"

PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:42 pm
by Mike from Boston
My antenna went up earlier today and I honestly thought to myself "Isn't this what Spider complained about" re:McRua??

I know I am old and certainly not hip. I have been "snarky" at times when seeing the newbies post "Is Shane going to tour with the Pogues this time" etc.
But why would you be a wiseass or IMO rude to the most important people who post here-Phil and Spider?? I mean I think we're fortunate to be able
to have their input on this forum. I don't think this is being starstruck or anything, just respectful. Hell, I love to read Mr. Chevron's posts even when I have
no interest in the topic, they are so well read and informative, even if I disagree.

Just my two cents.

Re: Club Owner to Pogues:"You'll never play Baltimore again"

PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 11:03 pm
by DzM
soulfinger wrote:honest soulfinger will give you

2/1 Mr Chevron
7/2 ex fish man
9/2 eric v
16/1 irishbookish
twentyfuckingfive to one oirish
33/1 macrua

I'd swear I've used that phrase twice (or maybe three times) in the last two weeks. Really! Don't I get some odds? Damn. No maths love.

Re: Club Owner to Pogues:"You'll never play Baltimore again"

PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 11:19 pm
by girlfromcountyhell
DzM wrote:
soulfinger wrote:honest soulfinger will give you

2/1 Mr Chevron
7/2 ex fish man
9/2 eric v
16/1 irishbookish
twentyfuckingfive to one oirish
33/1 macrua

I'd swear I've used that phrase twice (or maybe three times) in the last two weeks. Really! Don't I get some odds? Damn. No maths love.


Use it again and we'll have to re-calculate probabilities/odds :P

Re: Club Owner to Pogues:"You'll never play Baltimore again"

PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 12:48 am
by soulfinger
Odds fluctuate. :P

There's been some heavy ante-post money on firehazard. Well, junior bet me 20p on the basis that f/h won't be able to resist the temptation.
9/4 Mr Chevron
11/4 firehazard
9/2 craigbatty (apparently he's a ringer)
9/2 eric v
16/1 irishbookish
twentyfuckingfive to one oirish
40/1 macrua
100/1 DzM
666/1 inmyliverpoolhome

Re: Club Owner to Pogues:"You'll never play Baltimore again"

PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 1:21 am
by DzM
soulfinger wrote:Odds fluctuate. :P

There's been some heavy ante-post money on firehazard. Well, junior bet me 20p on the basis that f/h won't be able to resist the temptation.
9/4 Mr Chevron
11/4 firehazard
9/2 craigbatty (apparently he's a ringer)
9/2 eric v
16/1 irishbookish
twentyfuckingfive to one oirish
40/1 macrua
100/1 DzM
666/1 inmyliverpoolhome

Sweet.

Of course the smart money is on inmyliverpoolhome.

Re: Club Owner to Pogues:"You'll never play Baltimore again"

PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 7:50 am
by firehazard
soulfinger wrote:There's been some heavy ante-post money on firehazard. Well, junior bet me 20p on the basis that f/h won't be able to resist the temptation.


Never put money on me. It will only fall off.
[Must resist... must resist...]

Re: Club Owner to Pogues:"You'll never play Baltimore again"

PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 5:06 pm
by Fr. McGreer
The band were great, the singer was drunk and tears were shed for the famine

Ha Ha, Yez didn't see that coming did yez? Paddy Power were offering better odds, Soulfinger me boy :lol:

Off i go to pick up my winnings. I had an each way on, in the hope i'd be in the top three 8)

By the way, MacRua. NOBODY has used the phrase as Philip wrote it. Pay more attention (actually, no don't bother)

The Band should adapt the backdrop at all future shows to have this quoted on it (it is Andrew's after all). Then reviewers may see the irony :roll: