-Manchester, Dec 15, 2007 reviews

[DzM]

everyone on this site is very quick to slag off journalists but im yet to see fora members journalsim degrees/diplomas/awards

Complaining is easy and takes much less effort than becoming skilled at something. I should know - I complain all the time.

[Fr. McGreer]

everyone on this site is very quick to slag off journalists but im yet to see fora members journalsim degrees/diplomas/awards

Fair play Niall, i with you on this. We only spot the mistakes the Journo's make because we're all so anally (is that how you spell it?) retentive about Pogue-ology.

Give them a break lads and lassies, they don't intentionly wind us up. Be smug in the fact that we can pick their paragraph's apart with our noses stuck in the air.

Isn't it great that the boys are getting valuable column inches anyway? If non Pogue-a-philes read it, they may convert to our side.

[Niall]

The vast majority of Gig reviews envolving The Pogues reunion have the following layout.

1st Paragraph - Some witty remark as to how Shane is still laive, let alone able to gig. Can you say patronising?

2nd Paragraph - Shane's shambolic yet loveable performacne was backed up by ever steady - outstanding Pogues. Shane could barely be understood.

3rd Apart from Shane, at least one band members name, song and or instrument gets muggled (E.G. that Jem Fearnley, really belted out one of The Pogues most loved classics "I am going, I am going" on his Zomaphone."

People that have never heard of The Pogues, reviewing there shows like they have been fans for 25+ years.

just as youve been a fan for 25+ years???

THats not the point, the point is that these journalist most probably spending 5 minutes browsing through The Pogues wikipedia page and take away the following information:

1) There lead singer is famous more for his history of drink and drug abuse rather then his gift for song writing.

2) They had a famous Christmas song.

Half of them don't even know that 5 out of the 8 people in the band are blooming English!
Its the classic case of I don't know what I'm talking about, I've got 5 thousand words to write theres only so many times I write the set list out (Wrongly might I add) lets talk about Guiness, Potatoes etc: and how drunk Shane was, how much the crowd loved him for it. Good night wheres my pay cheque?

I'll address your points Simon

1. To most people these days he is known for his drink abuse rather than his song writing ability, just as ozzy osbourne is known for being in the stupid tv show than for being the singer of one of the best hard rock bands ever

2. Like it or not, its a sad fact that the only Pogues song lots of people know is Fairytale. Its the same for a lot of bands. Outside of run to the hills, how many non iron maiden fans know any of their other songs.

Its unfair to ridicule a jounalist because he/she does not have the same knowledge of the pogues as you do

[MacRua]

everyone on this site is very quick to slag off journalists but im yet to see fora members journalsim degrees/diplomas/awards

The lamest excuse ever! "If you cant do it - do not dare to critisize it"
I am not a tailor, I cant sew. But still I know where buttons or sleeves should be! And I can tell badly made suit from the good one.
I am not a chef, but I do not need any bloody diploma to see the dish is burnt!
So why for fuck sake I cant critisize clumsy tailor, careless cook or incompetent journalist for the crap they produce?!

[Niall]

everyone on this site is very quick to slag off journalists but im yet to see fora members journalsim degrees/diplomas/awards

The lamest excuse ever! "If you cant do it - do not dare to critisize it"I am not a tailor, I cant sew. But still I know where buttons or sleeves should be! And I can tell badly made suit from the good one.
I am not a chef, but I do not need any bloody diploma to see the dish is burnt!
So why for fuck sake I cant critisize clumsy tailor, careless cook or incompetent journalist for the crap they produce?!

is that what i said?
criticise all you want, i was just stating an observation

[MacRua]

i was just stating an observation

That degrees or awards are necessary to create enjoyable text?
Or that they are needed to enjoy it?

[Niall]

i was just stating an observation

That degrees or awards are necessary to create enjoyable text?
Or that they are needed to enjoy it?

nope, that lots of members here blast journos for every little mistake they the fact that these journos have awards/degrees etc makes them an easy target

[Mark_Wafc]

everyone on this site is very quick to slag off journalists but im yet to see fora members journalsim degrees/diplomas/awards

my dad has been a jouro for nearly 35 years; First rule when your covering something you know little about = RESEARCH.

[MacRua]

or do not touch it at all..

that lots of members here blast journos for every little mistake they the fact that these journos have awards/degrees etc makes them an easy target

Sorry, Niall, i got lost (in "they/them" mostly)

[Niall]

or do not touch it at all..

that lots of members here blast journos for every little mistake they the fact that these journos have awards/degrees etc makes them an easy target

Sorry, Niall, i got lost (in "they/them" mostly)

they and them both referred to the journos. I know that journos should do their research, but often i imagine they have got deadlines and dont necessarily have the time to do so. I think theyre an easy target, but people make mistakes in every job. Also, people on these froa are very hard to please. Id love to see a report that got every little detail right, then what would we complain about? The journalists name?

[Mark_Wafc]

every little detial;


Phil Cheveron was on stage in Manchester on Saturday night.

??

[MacRua]

they and them both referred to the journos. I know that journos should do their research, but often i imagine they have got deadlines and dont necessarily have the time to do so.

"Sorry, but I had no time to sew both sleeves, sir". "I had an urgent call and burnt it a bit". Will you not want money back anyway?

but people make mistakes in every job.

And get critisized, fined, sacked. If it's someone's job, he's paid to do it and expected to do it qualitatively.

Also, people on these froa are very hard to please. Id love to see a report that got every little detail right, then what would we complain about? The journalists name?

Quite rightly so

Grumpyness is a spice of life
What would we talk with you about, eh? And we had a nice hour long discussion. In those early hours..

[Shant on]

or do not touch it at all..

that lots of members here blast journos for every little mistake they the fact that these journos have awards/degrees etc makes them an easy target

Sorry, Niall, i got lost (in "they/them" mostly)

they and them both referred to the journos. I know that journos should do their research, but often i imagine they have got deadlines and dont necessarily have the time to do so. I think theyre an easy target, but people make mistakes in every job. Also, people on these froa are very hard to please. Id love to see a report that got every little detail right, then what would we complain about? The journalists name?

Not being funny, but who really gives a flying fuck what awards/degrees a journalist has ? Its about criticising a piece of work that if you think its shite.

Always going to get differing views of any gig/game/event, and I wouldnt want to read a rake of reviews all saying the same thing or glowing praise if its undeserved, just that its reasonably accurate and maybe even a bit original.

[Simon Maguire]

The vast majority of Gig reviews envolving The Pogues reunion have the following layout.


THats not the point, the point is that these journalist most probably spending 5 minutes browsing through The Pogues wikipedia page and take away the following information:

1) There lead singer is famous more for his history of drink and drug abuse rather then his gift for song writing.

2) They had a famous Christmas song.

Half of them don't even know that 5 out of the 8 people in the band are blooming English!
Its the classic case of I don't know what I'm talking about, I've got 5 thousand words to write theres only so many times I write the set list out (Wrongly might I add) lets talk about Guiness, Potatoes etc: and how drunk Shane was, how much the crowd loved him for it. Good night wheres my pay cheque?

I'll address your points Simon

1. To most people these days he is known for his drink abuse rather than his song writing ability, just as ozzy osbourne is known for being in the stupid tv show than for being the singer of one of the best hard rock bands ever

2. Like it or not, its a sad fact that the only Pogues song lots of people know is Fairytale. Its the same for a lot of bands. Outside of run to the hills, how many non iron maiden fans know any of their other songs.

Its unfair to ridicule a jounalist because he/she does not have the same knowledge of the pogues as you do

Yes, but as a Jounralist your expected to do some reasearch into what your writing, your not meant to use the litttle knowledge you already have on the band, (drinking and drug abuse of Shane, and that one christmas song) and write and entire article on the band. So what if they only have one famous song and the singer is more famous these days for his drinking, its sopply journolism to focus on these points.

[Niall]

The vast majority of Gig reviews envolving The Pogues reunion have the following layout.


THats not the point, the point is that these journalist most probably spending 5 minutes browsing through The Pogues wikipedia page and take away the following information:

1) There lead singer is famous more for his history of drink and drug abuse rather then his gift for song writing.

2) They had a famous Christmas song.

Half of them don't even know that 5 out of the 8 people in the band are blooming English!
Its the classic case of I don't know what I'm talking about, I've got 5 thousand words to write theres only so many times I write the set list out (Wrongly might I add) lets talk about Guiness, Potatoes etc: and how drunk Shane was, how much the crowd loved him for it. Good night wheres my pay cheque?

I'll address your points Simon

1. To most people these days he is known for his drink abuse rather than his song writing ability, just as ozzy osbourne is known for being in the stupid tv show than for being the singer of one of the best hard rock bands ever

2. Like it or not, its a sad fact that the only Pogues song lots of people know is Fairytale. Its the same for a lot of bands. Outside of run to the hills, how many non iron maiden fans know any of their other songs.

Its unfair to ridicule a jounalist because he/she does not have the same knowledge of the pogues as you do

Yes, but as a Jounralist your expected to do some reasearch into what your writing, your not meant to use the litttle knowledge you already have on the band, (drinking and drug abuse of Shane, and that one christmas song) and write and entire article on the band. So what if they only have one famous song and the singer is more famous these days for his drinking, its sopply journolism to focus on these points.

not if thats what the majority of his/her readers want to hear about, which today, unfortuneately, it is