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Re: [b]they've only gone and done it again[/b]

Post Mon Dec 17, 2007 9:50 pm

Cdn Steve wrote:
philipchevron wrote:
gobsmacked wrote:BBC censors The Pogues' Christmas classic

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh ... got118.xml

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


Holy cow.


This is great! The best way to get people to listen/see/read something is to go ahead and ban or censor it. They're playing right into our hands! <rubs>

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Re: [b]they've only gone and done it again[/b]

Post Mon Dec 17, 2007 10:02 pm

gobsmacked wrote:BBC censors The Pogues' Christmas classic

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh ... got118.xml

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Oh how awesome is this?
ThemGuys wrote:It tells the story of two lovers who trade insults on Christmas Eve and one verse ends with the memorable line: "You scumbag, you maggot you cheap lousy faggot, Happy Christmas your a*** I pray God It's our last."

In an article discussing the censorship of a word in a song, the quote the censored word and self-censor another one.

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Post Tue Dec 18, 2007 12:52 am

or something like this..."what's worse than being talked about? Not being talked about."
Bíonn dhá insint ar scéal agus dhá leagan déag ar amhrán
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Post Tue Dec 18, 2007 3:27 am

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=20778141304 - if you're on Facebook, check it out.

And invite people to join it! It could just make the difference and instead having a moral number 1, we could make it an actual number 1.

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Post Tue Dec 18, 2007 8:28 am

Just been listening to a debate on Radio 5live regarding BBC changing the words, some great comments from the listeners, however there are some misguided fools who declared that the lyrics had already been changed to "your cheap and your haggard" i felt like screaming "only if your name is Ronan" :evil:
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Post Tue Dec 18, 2007 9:54 am

moose wrote:Just been listening to a debate on Radio 5live regarding BBC changing the words, some great comments from the listeners, however there are some misguided fools who declared that the lyrics had already been changed to "your cheap and your haggard" i felt like screaming "only if your name is Ronan" :evil:


Kirsty's mum hit the nail squarely on the head during that programme. "Oh, for heaven's sake, these are characters!" Quite so, it's reported dialogue, so even if you are liable to be "offended" by the word "faggot", you don't have a case.

A gay man texted in objecting to the censorship of the song "in his name". It wasn't me, but it might have been.
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Post Tue Dec 18, 2007 10:07 am

All of us should go and kick up a fuss. I have just written to BBC but it would probably be better if you knew which programme did the bleeping, I only knew it was Radio 1. Even if they continue, there seem to be lots of people complaining, can't hurt.

Especially on the anniversary of Kirsty's death.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/index.s ... nts&js=yes
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BBC at it again

Post Tue Dec 18, 2007 11:24 am

Kirsty's mum Jean was on the BBC Radio 5 breakfast show this morning talking to presenter Nicky Campbell about the BBC decision to censor Fairytale when it plays on both Radio 1 and 2 this Christmas.

I did not catch the entire interview so i've no idea which bit they have taken out!

Edit: Here is the news article

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7149525.stm
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Post Tue Dec 18, 2007 11:35 am

My husband has just this minute phoned me about this - they are all talking about this in his office - he thinks it's the word 'faggot' how ridiculous and jumpy of the BBC how dare they!
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Post Tue Dec 18, 2007 11:46 am

philipchevron wrote:
moose wrote:Just been listening to a debate on Radio 5live regarding BBC changing the words, some great comments from the listeners, however there are some misguided fools who declared that the lyrics had already been changed to "your cheap and your haggard" i felt like screaming "only if your name is Ronan" :evil:


Kirsty's mum hit the nail squarely on the head during that programme. "Oh, for heaven's sake, these are characters!" Quite so, it's reported dialogue, so even if you are liable to be "offended" by the word "faggot", you don't have a case.

A gay man texted in objecting to the censorship of the song "in his name". It wasn't me, but it might have been.


I enjoyed her comparing it to Shakspere myself 8)

Oh and i've only just seen this thread hence the duplicate!
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Post Tue Dec 18, 2007 2:19 pm

can't fault the publicity though.

646 Google news articles and counting

http://news.google.ie/news?hl=en&q=pogu ... a=N&tab=wn
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Post Tue Dec 18, 2007 3:19 pm

I wouldn’t worry that much about it; your in very good company!


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=X20VR2V3ASYTXQFIQMFSFFWAVCBQ0IV0?xml=/news/2007/12/17/nformby117.xml

Five Live are running a new article on the story every hour or so with entertainment reporter Colin Patterson who opens the article with "Its not that uncommon for there to be a silence in Pogues song where there should be a word; but its usually as a result Shane forgetting his words!"
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Post Tue Dec 18, 2007 3:45 pm

Two possibilities as far as I can see:

1. This is a cunning plan to finally get FONY to its deserved position as Christmas No. 1.

2. The people at BBC R1 are a load of arses.

Not sure which I think is more likely.
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Post Tue Dec 18, 2007 3:48 pm

(an update from the Daily Telegraph, London)

The BBC's decision to remove the word "faggot" from the classic Christmas song Fairytale of New York has roused the ire of Telegraph readers.


Music lovers of all political stripes and sexual orientations have posted messages on Telegraph.co.uk attacking the corporation's censorship of the re-released song by The Pogues featuring Kirsty MacColl.


One reader, Andrew, who identifies himself as a gay man, said he found the decision "pathetic".

"Shouldn't they be calling it F****tale of New York?" he asked.

Indeed, there is widespread mystification at Radio 1's decision to remove the word "faggot" to avoid offending homosexuals, but to allow other insults in the notoriously invective-filled lyrics.

Bruce said he also wanted "arse" bleeped out: "I don't want the BBC thrusting bottoms in my face on Christmas morning."

Jimbo took a different line: "I'm a scumbag and I must say I'm very offended by the use of the word in that Christmas song. Please beep it out Mr Beep Beep C. Scumbags of the world unite!"

There was general consensus that this is another example of political correctness gone mad, that disease seen to be endemic in the national broadcaster.

But David Coulter pointed out that under the BBC's logic "mad" was in itself an offensive term. He proposes "Different State of Mental Stability" as an alternative, adding: "Its Madness Gone PC".

advertisementOther readers looked at the practicalities of song writing, pointing out that faggot had to remain as it is the only possible rhyme for the maggot in the preceding line.

PJW, another gay reader, wrote that he does not find the song offensive as it was written at a time when faggot was in common use and considered acceptable.

"To begin altering songs made long ago would mean bleeping out a lot of the music back catalogue," he wrote.

"However, if the song was made today and directed at homosexuals solely then I do think that would be a whole different story."

Indeed, the only support for the BBC in the dozens of comments received by the Telegraph came from the rather curmudgeonly-sounding Angerland, who urged the corporation to go further.

"Pogues, Slade, Wizzard, John Lennon, Band Aid, Wham Aaaaargh! Ban the whole bloody lot of 'em, says I. It is this tedious musical backdrop to the festive season that helps make it so unendurable."
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Post Tue Dec 18, 2007 3:53 pm

firehazard wrote:Two possibilities as far as I can see:

1. This is a cunning plan to finally get FONY to its deserved position as Christmas No. 1.

2. The people at BBC R1 are a load of arses.

Not sure which I think is more likely.


Well yes, the first one was my initial instinct too, cynic as I am. But it has clearly come as a surprise to everyone connected to The Pogues, including our Press Officer and our Record Company. And anyway, such a scheme would require the complicity of the BBC which, I rather think, would be a tough ask.

Which leaves option 2, I'm afraid.
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