The Medusa Fora

Yeah, definitely getting that.

pogues24 wrote:It's pogues22 back once again with a new username. Such passion and truth, I can't wait for the book. I agree with Steve Lillywhite about the production of Peace and Love being murky, but as I've always said, to my mind its the Pogues most underrated album. I loved James Fearnely's sentiments about Waiting For Herb, love the Lord of the Rings correlation. I was shocked when I read about the hardships that beset Philip Chevron when he was trying reestablish his Irish roots and by house in Ireland. Overall, I can't wait to read this book.

P.S. Mr. Chevron your thoughts what was better Peace and Love or Hell's Ditch.

Iain

I can't really answer this without appearing to dissemble, because I genuinely find comparable merit in them. See, with the passage of time, I generally don't ask the question "Is this a good record?" as I knew the answer to that when I was making it. So in retrospect, the albums I made with the Pogues and the Radiators (and Agnes Bernelle, the Men They Couldn't Hang and the Prisoners, for that matter) are staging points in my life. I automatically link them with how my life was at that time, what it consisted of, what sort of struggles were primary, what I personally felt like mentally or spiritually or physically.

philipchevron wrote:

pogues24 wrote:It's pogues22 back once again with a new username. Such passion and truth, I can't wait for the book. I agree with Steve Lillywhite about the production of Peace and Love being murky, but as I've always said, to my mind its the Pogues most underrated album. I loved James Fearnely's sentiments about Waiting For Herb, love the Lord of the Rings correlation. I was shocked when I read about the hardships that beset Philip Chevron when he was trying reestablish his Irish roots and by house in Ireland. Overall, I can't wait to read this book.

P.S. Mr. Chevron your thoughts what was better Peace and Love or Hell's Ditch.

Iain

I can't really answer this without appearing to dissemble, because I genuinely find comparable merit in them. See, with the passage of time, I generally don't ask the question "Is this a good record?" as I knew the answer to that when I was making it. So in retrospect, the albums I made with the Pogues and the Radiators (and Agnes Bernelle, the Men They Couldn't Hang and the Prisoners, for that matter) are staging points in my life. I automatically link them with how my life was at that time, what it consisted of, what sort of struggles were primary, what I personally felt like mentally or spiritually or physically.

Yes I understand that but which was better?? (Only joking).

Phil do you feel there would be any point in re releasing Peace and Love with the vocals turned up and some of the over dubbing taken off as mentioned by Steve Lillywhite and I think Jem with regards to USA or do you think as a piece of art it should be left as it is??

RICHB wrote:Phil do you feel there would be any point in re releasing Peace and Love with the vocals turned up and some of the over dubbing taken off as mentioned by Steve Lillywhite and I think Jem with regards to USA or do you think as a piece of art it should be left as it is??

Further -

Do you think E.T. was better with the government agents holding guns or radios?

Was Star Wars better when Han Solo shot first?

Both films could be improved if Han Solo shot E.T.

that said, a remixed P+L would be magnificent.

I will not be holding my breath

mats wrote:

Johan From Sweden wrote:Thanks CM for posting that.
Realy looking forward to the book.
Anychans you know where to order the book?

Thanks in advance.
Johan

Buy it when you are in Glasgow, Johan
Unless you are very impatient

Cheers Mats

Can´t wait til Glasgow Mats Need to have it next week
MAYBE i´ll have to wait but it would be good if anyone knew about any place in Sweden to get it from.
See you in Glasgow for a pint Mats.
cheers
Johan

Johan From Sweden wrote:

mats wrote:

Johan From Sweden wrote:Thanks CM for posting that.
Realy looking forward to the book.
Anychans you know where to order the book?

Thanks in advance.
Johan

Buy it when you are in Glasgow, Johan
Unless you are very impatient

Cheers Mats

Can´t wait til Glasgow Mats Need to have it next week
MAYBE i´ll have to wait but it would be good if anyone knew about any place in Sweden to get it from.
See you in Glasgow for a pint Mats.
cheers
Johan

Try this, seems like a very good price. I think the postage is quite cheap as well.

http://www.adlibris.se/product.aspx?isbn=1846090083&s=1

Mats
(it will be more than one pint )

RICHB wrote:

philipchevron wrote:

pogues24 wrote:It's pogues22 back once again with a new username. Such passion and truth, I can't wait for the book. I agree with Steve Lillywhite about the production of Peace and Love being murky, but as I've always said, to my mind its the Pogues most underrated album. I loved James Fearnely's sentiments about Waiting For Herb, love the Lord of the Rings correlation. I was shocked when I read about the hardships that beset Philip Chevron when he was trying reestablish his Irish roots and by house in Ireland. Overall, I can't wait to read this book.

P.S. Mr. Chevron your thoughts what was better Peace and Love or Hell's Ditch.

Iain

I can't really answer this without appearing to dissemble, because I genuinely find comparable merit in them. See, with the passage of time, I generally don't ask the question "Is this a good record?" as I knew the answer to that when I was making it. So in retrospect, the albums I made with the Pogues and the Radiators (and Agnes Bernelle, the Men They Couldn't Hang and the Prisoners, for that matter) are staging points in my life. I automatically link them with how my life was at that time, what it consisted of, what sort of struggles were primary, what I personally felt like mentally or spiritually or physically.

Yes I understand that but which was better?? (Only joking).

Phil do you feel there would be any point in re releasing Peace and Love with the vocals turned up and some of the over dubbing taken off as mentioned by Steve Lillywhite and I think Jem with regards to USA or do you think as a piece of art it should be left as it is??

In principle, if enough of a work's progenitors feel they can deliver a better version at a later stage, there's absolutely no reason why they should not revisit it. In practice, who really cares about the new Let It Be or the remixed Raw Power or whatever, interesting though they certainly are to hear? At some point, their perceived flaws became part of the narrative of the band, of the record, of the circumstances. People want the improved versions less than they think they do, for the very reason that the "improvements" detach the work from its context.

Also, most artists would rather be moving on than revisiting old work, given the choice.

Fair comment!

philipchevron wrote:In principle, if enough of a work's progenitors feel they can deliver a better version at a later stage, there's absolutely no reason why they should not revisit it. In practice, who really cares about the new Let It Be or the remixed Raw Power or whatever, interesting though they certainly are to hear? At some point, their perceived flaws became part of the narrative of the band, of the record, of the circumstances. People want the improved versions less than they think they do, for the very reason that the "improvements" detach the work from its context.

This makes sense except I think Let It Be really needed to come out in the new version given how it came to be in the first place. The "Naked" version was closer to how the band intended to release it in the first place, but one or 2 of the band members didn't like how they sounded so it sat on the shelf for some time before John and George gave it to Phil Spector without knowledge of Paul. Spector then added his wall of sound production and changed parts of it considerably and it was the only Beatles release that did not have agreement from the entire band. I really like the new version.

philipchevron wrote:Also, most artists would rather be moving on than revisiting old work, given the choice.

Understandable, however the Pogues are still going strong but apparently not releasing new material, which could be construed as not moving on; so why not consider Peace and Love redux?

One of the main reasons the Pogues are still going strong is precisely the fact that some/all of us have moved on in other areas of our individual creative lives. If the Pogues was all we did, there would be no Pogues. In any event, I disagree with Frank Murray's comment in the Carol Clerk book, though I understand why, as a non-musician, he puts it forward. I can only really speak for myself, but I believe it to be a common phenomenon in the band that each performance is a fresh appraisal of what we do. I can truly say I have never sung "1000s of Sailors" exactly the same way twice. Are Frances Bacon's popes all clones of each other?

It is still debatable whether Naked Let It Be is Macca's album or a Beatles album, but I don't know many fans who did not already have at least one bootleg of the so-called Get Back album. In any event, the official release was unquestionably an anti-climax. But for what it's worth, I prefer the "new" version to Spector's rather melancholy elegy.

philipchevron wrote:

RICHB wrote:

philipchevron wrote:

pogues24 wrote:It's pogues22 back once again with a new username. Such passion and truth, I can't wait for the book. I agree with Steve Lillywhite about the production of Peace and Love being murky, but as I've always said, to my mind its the Pogues most underrated album. I loved James Fearnely's sentiments about Waiting For Herb, love the Lord of the Rings correlation. I was shocked when I read about the hardships that beset Philip Chevron when he was trying reestablish his Irish roots and by house in Ireland. Overall, I can't wait to read this book.

P.S. Mr. Chevron your thoughts what was better Peace and Love or Hell's Ditch.

Iain

I can't really answer this without appearing to dissemble, because I genuinely find comparable merit in them. See, with the passage of time, I generally don't ask the question "Is this a good record?" as I knew the answer to that when I was making it. So in retrospect, the albums I made with the Pogues and the Radiators (and Agnes Bernelle, the Men They Couldn't Hang and the Prisoners, for that matter) are staging points in my life. I automatically link them with how my life was at that time, what it consisted of, what sort of struggles were primary, what I personally felt like mentally or spiritually or physically.

Yes I understand that but which was better?? (Only joking).

Phil do you feel there would be any point in re releasing Peace and Love with the vocals turned up and some of the over dubbing taken off as mentioned by Steve Lillywhite and I think Jem with regards to USA or do you think as a piece of art it should be left as it is??

In principle, if enough of a work's progenitors feel they can deliver a better version at a later stage, there's absolutely no reason why they should not revisit it. In practice, who really cares about the new Let It Be or the remixed Raw Power or whatever, interesting though they certainly are to hear? At some point, their perceived flaws became part of the narrative of the band, of the record, of the circumstances. People want the improved versions less than they think they do, for the very reason that the "improvements" detach the work from its context.

Also, most artists would rather be moving on than revisiting old work, given the choice.

At the end of the day its the artists choice if they feel they want to revisit it. An example would be when the Comic Strip (Rick Mayall, Adrian Edmonson etc etc) released their DVD box set. One of the better episodes was a two part story called North Atlantic Raiders and when it was released there where a lot of complaints because large chunks of it where missing and parts where in different places. It turned out that Peter Richardson had hated the original version of it and now had the chance to release it in the way he had always wanted to. I know thats a million miles away from the pogues but i think the point remains (I think???)

Apologies I dont know what i did there but it looks as if some of Phils text has become part of my own text wihtout it being in the quote box. Please accept my apologies

fixed

Booh. Just been out to buy this and its not available as it was only published today?? I mean whats the point, if a record is released its available on the day