Raise up, ye heroes!

[DownInTheGround]

When you switch your screens off, does any of this really matter? No. This is a perfect example of a storm in a teacup. This lovely internet based hideout is here to discuss the band that brings us all here in the first place. Petty arguements should have no place in such a hideaway. Oirish is slightly different because of his unique diction but it should not invoke such passion and resent as it seems to bring to the surface.

Shit, another hippy post. Sorry.

[jennylois]

When you switch your screens off, does any of this really matter?

No. You're right. As soon as I walk away from the computer it doesn't matter so much, but when I'm here I'm involved. And surely, even tho we only know each other in this capacity, it's still human interaction, and to belittle it is to dehumanise the interaction so that it doesn't matter what we say to each other. Saying 'it's only the internet' allows us to treat each other badly.

That's how I feel anyway.

[DownInTheGround]

Yea I suppose we are both kind of right. This is not interaction in the most conventional of senses but it is still human interaction. Point taken. But even so, lets not all get bogged down in the tedium of complaining, bitching and quoting rules to each other.

[Eric V]

By the way, I've seen DzM and I've seen a vagina. DzM is no vagina.

Oh, dear.

DzM -- I am very sorry for the loss of your vagina. I know I'd be beside myself. Soldier on.

[Irishbookish]

Yea I suppose we are both kind of right. This is not interaction in the most conventional of senses but it is still human interaction. Point taken. But even so, lets not all get bogged down in the tedium of complaining, bitching and quoting rules to each other.

I agree and most people will move on - to grow and learn and respect people's differing opinions. However, while people openly slag some members, others pretend it's not happening, hoping that it will blow over. Then, the poor folk who try to defend their honour are rebuked by the community, saying, "Please, people can we not just get along?" Instead of saying, "Hey don't treat her/him like crap!" It's a different kettle of fish when harrassment or abuse is directed straight at you personally. We shouldn't encourage a victim's mentality and if we addressed issues more directly, people wouldn't feel so inclined to become defensive. There are so many great things to discuss, but we should be supportive of each other.

[Pyro]

Besides - he is contributing to certain discussions on high level. And he did the FTP server (which I'm damn grateful for). It´s not like those who do stuff should be allowed to be rude, but I shink they should be treated a little bit differently.

So there IS a reason for toscs being allowed to be rude! And you actually ARE suggesting that he should be allowed to be rude. There is no other way that he can be treated 'differently' than to be allowed to say what he likes.

When I say something, I mean it. If you don´t want to see how I ment it, you won´t, that´s simple.

He shouldn´t be allowed to be rude - but mods didn´t tell him (as far as I know), to calm down. If he constantly provokes fights (which he doesn´t), he should be banned too - and me too - I believe most people would agree on that.

It´s easy to quote parts of posts and cut a context by that. I indirectly (but obviously) ment, TOSC sometimes reacts in rather rude way, but that´s not as bad, as when you provoke a fight. Am I clear enough?

[moose]

Yea I suppose we are both kind of right. This is not interaction in the most conventional of senses but it is still human interaction. Point taken. But even so, lets not all get bogged down in the tedium of complaining, bitching and quoting rules to each other.

I agree and most people will move on - to grow and learn and respect people's differing opinions. However, while people openly slag some members, others pretend it's not happening, hoping that it will blow over. Then, the poor folk who try to defend their honour are rebuked by the community, saying, "Please, people can we not just get along?" Instead of saying, "Hey don't treat her/him like crap!" It's a different kettle of fish when harrassment or abuse is directed straight at you personally. We shouldn't encourage a victim's mentality and if we addressed issues more directly, people wouldn't feel so inclined to become defensive. There are so many great things to discuss, but we should be supportive of each other.

There are people on here who like to stir the shit and it makes no difference what argument you put up they will come back at you.
Sometimes in my humble opinion it is better(although very difficult) to stay out of the "fight" because every time you reply it adds to the "boiling cauldron" If some one does not like you and vice versa, nothing will change that on a fora where everyone has a picture of someone else but no reality behind it.
The Mods do a very good job in a no win game, which ever way they go will generally piss some one off but hey thats life.
If you dont like someone use the Foe button and just completely ignore them, it may be difficult but in the long run it will work. If they continue to personally insult you and you are not replying to them, i am sure that the Mods will take note an act upon it.
Remember we are here because are our love of all things Pogue, dont let another ruin your enjoyment

[Pyro]

Moose: Well said I think. And staying out of fight is something I can´t do on all occasions, sadly. It will come with time and wisdom I hope

Only thing where we can part is, I believe that "ignored" is not enough. I believe "banned" would be more appropriate. But I guess that´s just a matter of opinion.

[Fionn MacCool]

The internet is probably the last place to spend your time if you're easily offended.

[Irishbookish]

These discussions are helpful in showing us that we're different with a variety of perspectives, so long as we all accept the rules. The ignore button is great, until someone quotes that person - then you have no choice but to see it, but it's still a useful tool.

[TheIrishRover]

Jenny, I haven't laughed so much at a Medusa post in ages comedy gold love, comedy gold

Pyro, you keep harping on about OIrish, but you don't see anything wrong with TOSCS comments? Am I the only one who has noticed the sexist remarks that have been posted from TOSCS?

I'd be surprised if anyone else shares your devastatingly sharp eye for the quare stuff

Nah, mate, she's just the only one who cares.

[Sandyfromvancouver]

Good point Irishbookish, that the "please people can't we all get along?" line is hurtful to people who have been personally attacked without being given a chance to respond. And I know some people have thicker skins than others. I've never much read anything that bothered me about what TOSCS has written, BUT I've always been peripherally involved. TOSCS it seems to me gives as good as he gets: he's abrasive but never offended. I think it has to do with his youth, a younger person's perspective on the nature of internet forums, and his particular character.

Irishbookish validly states that some people do have thinner skins and I think this is true. And I have to say I'd like to see them accommodated too. I don't always agree with anyone here, including bookish and Jennylois, but I've very much enjoyed both members' participation and I'd be very much disappointed if they, um, "bogged off". I do hope you guys hang in there!

Confession time: when I was newly joined I objected to an image posted by MacRua in the Drugs thread, I responded a wee bit in the thread, but also in a long-winded way in a PM to DzM. I should have trusted Medusa more, and stated my opinions out in the open, expecting the wisdom of the Fora to prevail and not getting too bent out of shape about whatever. My apologies to MacRua. Truly, buddy.

I haven't listed anyone in all of Medusa as a foe. And I've got no plans to do so either. Again, not that I agree with everyone, but because I'm curious to see what everyone has to say, no matter what. You never know when you can find some common ground with someone you've been clashing with on another forum.

As for DzM's vagina or lack of, well, I saw "him" taking pictures of the performance in October in San Francisco and my husband and I talked with "him" a bit about random stuff. I must admit, however, DzM had clothes on. So I can't really tell you one way or another about the vagina question, altho' at the time I had the definite impression "he" was guyly.

[Irishbookish]

As for DzM's vagina or lack of, well, I saw "him" taking pictures of the performance in October in San Francisco and my husband and I talked with "him" a bit about random stuff. I must admit, however, DzM had clothes on. So I can't really tell you one way or another about the vagina question, altho' at the time I had the definite impression "he" was guyly.

Sandy, you promised to watch over that Rebel, Kathleen.

[Sandyfromvancouver]

Sandy, you promised to watch over that Rebel, Kathleen.

Hahaha. I kan't watch over anyone, I'm far too old and senile. Just a moment while I apply whiteout to my screen, I seem to have made a typo. Kathleen probably needs less minding than I do.

[MacRua]

Confession time: when I was newly joined I objected to an image posted by MacRua in the Drugs thread, I responded a wee bit in the thread, but also in a long-winded way in a PM to DzM. I should have trusted Medusa more, and stated my opinions out in the open, expecting the wisdom of the Fora to prevail and not getting too bent out of shape about whatever. My apologies to MacRua. Truly, buddy..

No prob. Still do not have a slightest idea what your complaints and objections were. Or what kind of harm you have caused to my reputation. But as soon as you offer your apologies I take them. Do not like to waste things. Who knows maybe they will relieve my loneliness when the thin-skinned gain my banning.

Funny, I become a usual subject of intensive correspondence. Flattered.