The Pogues without Shane

[Guest]

So would the Pogues actually tour if MacGowan couldnt make it?

[Irishbookish]

So would the Pogues actually tour if MacGowan couldnt make it?

So...would a guest bleed if we stuck him with a pin?

[Fr. McGreer]

Those who say this thread is boring are wrong. It's a great read. It's getting loads of hits (views).

So would the Pogues actually tour if MacGowan couldnt make it?

So...would a guest bleed if we stuck him with a pin?

What's that supposed to mean? It's a very valid question. They toured without Philip and we all missed him. They would tour without Terry and we'd all miss him. They would tour without Jem or Darryl or James and they'd be sorely missed. A replacement drummer? that can be arranged (we'd miss Andrew though). But Shane? I don't know....

[mike1]

In terms of quality of the songs? I find myself humming/singing/shouting out many songs from the Pogues albums on an almost daily basis. I have the Shane/popes albums, but would be hard pressed to remember any of the songs, let alone sing them. Tend to agree that this is a pointless thread....but it is interesting!

[Irishbookish]

Those who say this thread is boring are wrong. It's a great read. It's getting loads of hits (views).

So would the Pogues actually tour if MacGowan couldnt make it?

So...would a guest bleed if we stuck him with a pin?

What's that supposed to mean? It's a very valid question. They toured without Philip and we all missed him. They would tour without Terry and we'd all miss him. They would tour without Jem or Darryl or James and they'd be sorely missed. A replacement drummer? that can be arranged (we'd miss Andrew though). But Shane? I don't know....

I've been reading without comment for a while, but it was a feeble attempt at my own recognition that there have been a lot of repetitive questions/comments from 'guests.' A lot of similar questions have already been covered. I never said the subject is boring, as it's received a lot of interest, so long as people posting as 'guests' don't take their anonymity as a licence for undervaluing The Pogues, (ie: we all bleed when we're stuck with a pin).

[Guest]

I've been reading without comment for a while, but it was a feeble attempt at my own recognition that there have been a lot of repetitive questions/comments from 'guests.' A lot of similar questions have already been covered. I never said the subject is boring, as it's received a lot of interest, so long as people posting as 'guests' don't take their anonymity as a licence for undervaluing The Pogues, (ie: we all bleed when we're stuck with a pin).

Apologies for for my 'anonymity' by not actually having a name such as 'Irishbookish' but I was seriously wondering if the band would consider touring WITHOUT MacGowan on board. As has been previously mentioned, they have toured recently without Woods and Chevron (who were both missed by fans) so would this therefore mean that gigs without MacGowan would be considered were he to decline being involved/pulled out due to illness?

[Fr. McGreer]

Just remembered, On the American tour a couple of years ago, didn't the band cancel a show at short notice due to Shane twisting his ankle the previous night? Maybe this precedent answers the question??

[Guest]

Just remembered, On the American tour a couple of years ago, didn't the band cancel a show at short notice due to Shane twisting his ankle the previous night? Maybe this precedent answers the question??

All is answered

[Low D]

Having heard the Pogues backing/fronted by artists as diverse as Kirsty McColl, Lynval Golding, Steve Earle, Joe Strummer; as well as the O'Riordan, Woods, Stacey, Ranken & Chevron numbers, and as the instrumentals suggest... the Pogues are in fact an amazing band, with or without MacGowan. I saw the MacGowan-less Pogues, post-Strummer, but unfortunately don't remember the show well enough to give an opinion. I saw Shane & the Popes twice, and while once was terrible once was indeed great. But let's be clear, it bore no resemblance to a Pogues gig, which i was fortunate enough to finally experience in Seattle in October of 2007.

And clearly, the Pogues with MacGowan are a special thing. It seems unlikely - based mostly on lots of things written all over this Forum and in the Carole Clarke Book, and even what Mr. Chevron said earlier in this very thread - that there would be a return to a MacGowan-less Pogues.

While this is probably a good thing, my mind always wonders what a Stummer/Pogues album would have been like, or one with any of the artists on the above list. The result might diminish the reputation of the Pogues as their own entitiy, but it would surely lift up any other artist involved. And the collaborative possibilites are intriguing. I think a Lyval Golding/Pogues album would do much more for the world than a bogus Specials reunion. Young Ned of the Hill... dub version makes me dream of a dub album. I could go on, but this is all just my own dreamscape i'm embarassingly dumping here; none of these things has or will happen, and we are lucky to live in a world where the Pogues are reunited & playing at all.

I mean, It would be nicer if we could end war, poverty & stuff, but let's take what we can get.

[firehazard]

Shane & The Popes played...

But did they sell out those venues? Last time I saw Shane and the Popes, at the Corn Exchange in Cambridge, it was a damn fine gig, but the venue was half-empty. But in the good old days when The Pogues played the same venue, it would have been full....

Wait! Let's decide first what we are going to compare. Good old days of The Pogues with bad last days of The Popes or what? A period with one particular gig?... So once again - what are we going to compare?

Actually, the reference to the "good old days" was about a sort of nostalgic longing for the days when The Pogues would play smaller venues in a wider range of places in the UK than happens nowadays. Evoked by a reflection about one particular venue in England where Shane appeared, on distinct occasions, with both The Pogues and The Popes. (And also where The Pogues appeared without Shane.) It wasn't an attempt to cast the "good old days" as a golden era of high-quality performances. Sigh.

The Pogues are still about the best live band around anyway.

[Jaster]

With last december at brixton being my first pogues gig, i think the highlight wasn't shane at all - it would have been james powersliding, or james making the snow angel. every member of the band was key - phil was missed for sure, would have loved to hear thousands are sailing, but the other guy (james walbourne?) still did a fine job. would have liked at least on terry song. but fairytale was insanely good - ella finer was hauntingly brilliant in the stead of kirsty maccoll.

[spuntniksweetheart]

dear others of the pogues,

however drunk he may have been............

and maybe he needed a new set of teeth............

but he was the genious.............

without him you where only a boring irish folk band............

good luck and stay happy,

sputnik

[sputniksweetheart]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxCM9del ... L&index=28

that's all one can say

[chinaski]

dear others of the pogues,

however drunk he may have been............

and maybe he needed a new set of teeth............

but he was the genious.............

without him you where only a boring irish folk band............

good luck and stay happy,

sputnik

WHAT THE FUCK????

[Heather]

Oh dear, here we go again...