The Pogues without Shane

[Guest]

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I've only just come upon this thread - cannot believe the sheer nastiness about Mr C, never mind the band in general. Not many band members in bands today deign to man their fans' chatroom with the same frequency or indeed the same interest as Phillip continues to do - even in the face of ignorance and adversity. The post only serves to highlight this. Mr Chevron, you are a star!

Aidan

[Guest]

This thread is utter nonsense!!

As a Pogues fan since 1988 when i bought IISFFGWG, i have now seen them six times(the first two being in 92 and 93 without Shane)

They have all been fantastic gigs.

While Shane is the attraction the rest of the band have significant Input in not just the music but the writing, Peace and Love and Hell's Ditch were hugely influenced by other members in the later days of Shane's days with the band

The Pogues are about eight superb guys(it has been more and less), Shane, Terry, Phil, Spider, Andrew, Jem, Terry and Daryl take one away and it will still work take two or three out and it does become noticed

Great band of guys, terrible thread

"Meal ticket my arse i pray god its your last" thread that is

[ray]

Hmmm very disturbing this thread.

[ray]

I dont care what you say your nothing without Shane as proved by the shite albums you released without him

Heh, I admire your brash approach nonetheless

Out of the Pogues discography, my favourites are pretty much all those that include MacGowan, but that's just because I prefer that style of music. There are certainly some gems that don't feature Shane.

Its like this Mr Chevron The Pogues started without you and The Pogues can continue without you as proved by the last 2 Xmas tours.Your nothing mate Shane is just your meal ticket end of story stick to hanging around on internet forums to try and convince yourself that you are important.Merry Xmas

Yep, there's always a replacement but it's never as good. If Philip did a solo tour I would be one of the first to buy a ticket.

[chatterbox]

The Pogues (excuse the band for a mo) are Shane!!!
Now amongst with many others of you I have watched the Pogues with spider at the helm and ok they were good but isnt half the reason we go to see Shane????
Ok its good to see honours passed over to Phil, Spider, Andrew, Terry etc for a few songs (nice change) but come on Shane is the man who should steer the Sodomy along its path in life, whoever thinks not should start listening to The Fureys or someone!!!

There is no doubt in my mind that Shane is the most incapable performer in the band at the moment. The most likely to fall over, the most likely to screw up the songs and the most likely not to even show up at all. Thats why he failed miserably without the pogues. I suggest you watch his dvd in Montreaux 1995. It is without doubt the single worst performance I have ever witnessed from any artist.

The man wrote the best christmas song ever IMO in 1988 and has been singing it for 20+ years. During the last 6 years he's been singing it at least 3 times a week. Everyone in the world knows the words, even an awful lot of asians who can't even speak english know the lyrics. Yet this man is incapable of singing it all the way through without tripping over himself.

He's a joke if you ask me. Its seems obvious that you know very little about music if you don't mind me saying. I would attribute your lack of respect/knowledge for the rest of the band to this fact. The truth is Shane WAS a great writer and performer but unfortunately he no longer is.

[philipchevron]

Dunno about you, but I'm bored with this topic now. If the reunion of the Pogues taught us all one thing, and by "us", I mean the 8 people who have become known, by sheer dint of persistence, tenacity and by overcoming the appalling odds on their health, became, and remained "The Pogues" in spirit, vocation, destiny and heart by October 1986 and stayed that way until they began to temporarily disintegrate 5 years later, the so-called "Classic line-up" - if it taught us one thing by 2001, it was that we had all been part of an entity that was infinitely greater than the sum of its parts, regardless of how talented every single one of those people was/is in his own right. Sometimes this hurts a little - nobody partcularly sets out to be a part of something which is bigger than he himself is, and I daresay it hurts a little with Shane too; nevertheless, it is as true for him as it is for me.

It continues to work in 2009 for two reasons. One, we pay other people to sweat the small stuff. Two, much to our amazement, it feels better than it ever did, maturity and sobriety having unexpectedly proved staunch new allies. Three, acknowledging that most of us have sailed close to dangerous forces in the course of our lives, and seen numerous old colleagues and friends take less fortunate life journeys, it takes more than either a one-off fuck-up of a performance or a long-term illness, however regrettable and irritating either of them may be, to knock us much off course. The Pogues with one man down or one man on the bench remains one of the most exhilarating rock'n'roll forces on the planet. For if it is greater than the sum of its parts, it is also greater than the sum of its parts minus one. And four, we are all fully realized Zen Masters, with no practical need of everyday mathematic.

[DzM]

Dunno about you, but I'm bored with this topic now.

Tired of this topic in particular? Yes, in-as-much as I'm not particularly interested in the outcome. I am still interested in it from a perspective of People Watching. I am always amazed at the audacity of people that feel compelled to visit little corners of Teh Intarwebs and be dickheads. I often wonder what makes this kind of person feel that it is both their God-given right and duty to tell whomever they're unhappy with all the exciting details of the unhappiness and worthlessness they (the subject of the unhappiness, not the complainer) visit on others.

"Hey! I just thought I'd come to your party and tell you that the parties you used to throw were totally awesome, but now your parties suck, and you're a hack, and I think the world would be better off if you were dead."

[...]And four, we are all fully realized Zen Masters.

That tends to help make everything easier.

[Guest]

There is no doubt in my mind that Shane is the most incapable performer in the band at the moment. The most likely to fall over, the most likely to screw up the songs and the most likely not to even show up at all. Thats why he failed miserably without the pogues.

I understand the point you are making but to see that MacGowan 'failed miserably' without the Pogues is simply not true, I feel that both Shane MacGowan and The Popes albums, whilst being very different to The Pogues are great albums.

[Mick Molloy]

Dunno about you, but I'm bored with this topic now. If the reunion of the Pogues taught us all one thing, and by "us", I mean the 8 people who have become known, by sheer dint of persistence, tenacity and by overcoming the appalling odds on their health, became, and remained "The Pogues" in spirit, vocation, destiny and heart by October 1986 and stayed that way until they began to temporarily disintegrate 5 years later, the so-called "Classic line-up" - if it taught us one thing by 2001, it was that we had all been part of an entity that was infinitely greater than the sum of its parts, regardless of how talented every single one of those people was/is in his own right. Sometimes this hurts a little - nobody partcularly sets out to be a part of something which is bigger than he himself is, and I daresay it hurts a little with Shane too; nevertheless, it is as true for him as it is for me.

It continues to work in 2009 for two reasons. One, we pay other people to sweat the small stuff. Two, much to our amazement, it feels better than it ever did, maturity and sobriety having unexpectedly proved staunch new allies. Three, acknowledging that most of us have sailed close to dangerous forces in the course of our lives, and seen numerous old colleagues and friends take less fortunate life journeys, it takes more than either a one-off fuck-up of a performance or a long-term illness, however regrettable and irritating either of them may be, to knock us much off course. The Pogues with one man down or one man on the bench remains one of the most exhilarating rock'n'roll forces on the planet. For if it is greater than the sum of its parts, it is also greater than the sum of its parts minus one. And four, we are all fully realized Zen Masters, with no practical need of everyday mathematic.

Now this was beautifully written!

[MacRua]

If The Pogues did a tour without shane with Spider on vocals how many people would go to see them?,Ive seen the band a few times now and not being a die hard fan of the band I get the impression the other members of The Pogues are just Shanes backing band and people are only interested in Shane.Surely the band know that Shane is there meal ticket and they would be nothing without him.What im trying to say is for example this tour the guitar player has been missing and another member missed a few shows and it didnt make a blind bit of differance, But if Shane was missing it wouldnt be as good.Just wondering what everyone elses thoughts are

Each of the band are brilliant musicians in their own right.

The pogues are nothing without any of the members.

I would far prefer a pogues gig without Shane. <.. > I really think the rest of the band are on top form at the moment but Shane just drags them down. <..> He's a joke if you ask me.

Whatever everyone else's thoughts are there is a "Shane?" thread - 8 pages of more or less the same question "Will Shane be playing..?". And nothing like "Jem?" or "Andrew?" threads. Dunno why. A sheer mystery..

[KathleenwithaK]

Oh, for fuck's sake. This is a stupid topic. I'm embarrassed I read it.

[Irishrose]

Oh, for fuck's sake. This is a stupid topic. I'm embarrassed I read it.

yup i agree, i have placed it under the category of??................"you can't fix stupid"??..................


Irishrose

[chatterbox]

Why are people so against the idea of the pogues without shane, or even discussing the idea? Just because we are all fans (well most of us) of the band as a whole, does not mean we can't acknowlege or realise when any particular member is underperforming. Similarly to how we would single out someone who performed particularly well.

I don't agree with every opinion expressed here, but the forum is for discussing exactly these topics. I don't know if people think the band is untouchable and no matter what happens they are all gods of music and excellent performers. Personally, I would agree with that for the most part, but others may not. Why can't we discuss the flaws of the band in the same way as we would discuss the good points without the topic being dismissed as boring.... If you find it boring don't read it......

[Lloyd]

i loved all the pogues stuff without shane.tuesday morning is a bloody classic .free speech is one thing ,downright abuse of our band is another

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Mr. Chevron,

You are a class act and a brilliant musician. Your later post was very well written and your 4 points are right on. Poguetry in motion is a very special thing that has been constructed and is only ever perfected by all of it's architects in unison. None-the-less, we are grateful even if we see all the parts minus one as we know the foundation was laid by all the masters.

Cheers!

[fluke]

Whatever everyone else's thoughts are there is a "Shane?" thread - 8 pages of more or less the same question "Will Shane be playing..?". And nothing like "Jem?" or "Andrew?" threads. Dunno why. A sheer mystery..

Sorry, I'm missing your point? Could you explain please? Think my english is letting me down here..

Why are people so against the idea of the pogues without shane, or even discussing the idea? Just because we are all fans (well most of us) of the band as a whole, does not mean we can't acknowlege or realise when any particular member is underperforming. Similarly to how we would single out someone who performed particularly well.

It is not that it is not discusable, I think it was discussed around here a couple of times. It's the stupid tone some had during this discussion..