OZ + Japan 2012

[jsmith200]

fair enough then, that clears up all that.

[Mick Molloy]

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Shane MacGowan's Solo Projects ‎"recently pulling out of doing a long UK tour with Jools Holland and his big band" - yes,

"has now cancelled a scheduled Pogues tour of Australia and Japan for early next year" - yes

"fought endlessly during the dates in the US" - well, no, there were tea breaks, you can bet,

"Shane still resents the fact that they threw him out of the band " - who wouldn't?!

"Shane was ejected during a tour of Japan in the Nineties" - replace "Nineties" with "1991" and you'll get another 100% fact

"The Pogues have been reforming annually for the past decade" - you knew it, didnt you?

"He doesn't even care about the money" - he doesn't indeed!

"He now has his own band called The Shane Gang" - quite rightly so,

"He is planning to record an album of new songs with them" - we have been speaking about it for a year already!

"Depp has long been a fan of Shane" - no news either I believe,

"He would have only been doing a few songs per show, but would have pocketed a couple of thousand a night for his work" - that was the plan, it sounded good but look above: Shane doesn't care about money!

You see, It can't be truer, which is quite surprising for a news rag, eh?

[Low D]

You see, It can't be truer, which is quite surprising for a news rag, eh?

Well, they clearly did all their fact checking. See? They quote "A music insider", and we all know how reliable and trustworthy he, er, um, she, um, it? (possibly some sort of bot or google result) is. Top notch all the way!

[Spin27]

You see, It can't be truer, which is quite surprising for a news rag, eh?

Well, they clearly did all their fact checking. See? They quote "A music insider", and we all know how reliable and trustworthy he, er, um, she, um, it? (possibly some sort of bot or google result) is. Top notch all the way!

Spider has said its true over on his twitter page, it appears the rags were right after all!

[firehazard]

Shane MacGowan's Solo Projects ‎"recently pulling out of doing a long UK tour with Jools Holland and his big band" ...
"He doesn't even care about the money" - he doesn't indeed!

A rather fed-up friend of mine who excitedly spent her hard-earned on tickets for the Jools Holland tour when Shane was announced as the special guest has just remarked a bit bitterly that he obviously doesn't care about his fans either.

[I did advise her before she bought that I reckoned there was a strong chance that she wouldn't actually get to see him, but ah well...]

[Guest]

he obviously doesn't care about his fans either.

Seems it's not exclusively Shane's problem. The same is applicable for the rest of the band. Where are band members who otherwise frequent this forum when they are needed? Where is an official statement? Is it so hard to explain the situation saying "yes, The Pogues have called it a day" or "no, it's bullshit, we are together, Shane did not quit and the announced tour is still on"?
The band simply ignore perplexed fans and their desperate questions. Is it a sign of respect?

[RICHB]

he obviously doesn't care about his fans either.

Seems it's not exclusively Shane's problem. The same is applicable for the rest of the band. Where are band members who otherwise frequent this forum when they are needed? Where is an official statement? Is it so hard to explain the situation saying "yes, The Pogues have called it a day" or "no, it's bullshit, we are together, Shane did not quit and the announced tour is still on"?
The band simply ignore perplexed fans and their desperate questions. Is it a sign of respect?

How do we know its true? Even if it is true how do we know that the band have had a chance to speak to Shane or if there is a way of Shane doing one of his famous u turns or whatever. I think its a bit unfair to demand the band come out and make some sort of official statement which would be very final. Im sure if its true then a statement will come out.

Ps I checked on Spiders twitter but couldnt see anything?

[moose]

If it is the end, then so be it, i for one will not shed any tears, the end had to come at some time and for many years we thought it had. The reunion which lasted longer than the original get together, was fantastic and the Gigs were memorable, every one of them and never to be forgotton. Sure i will miss the annual Xmas pilgrimage and the festive season may lack something and not quite be the same as previous years..........but the memories, the images, the atmosphere, the mosh pit (well into middle age) will always be there.
The best of luck guys on whatever road you decide to take.

[NewJerseyRich]

he obviously doesn't care about his fans either.

Seems it's not exclusively Shane's problem. The same is applicable for the rest of the band. Where are band members who otherwise frequent this forum when they are needed? Where is an official statement? Is it so hard to explain the situation saying "yes, The Pogues have called it a day" or "no, it's bullshit, we are together, Shane did not quit and the announced tour is still on"?
The band simply ignore perplexed fans and their desperate questions. Is it a sign of respect?

Maybe there is no definitive answer yet to give? On subjects like this I am of the opinion that the band NOT commenting is a good thing.

[Spin27]

he obviously doesn't care about his fans either.

Seems it's not exclusively Shane's problem. The same is applicable for the rest of the band. Where are band members who otherwise frequent this forum when they are needed? Where is an official statement? Is it so hard to explain the situation saying "yes, The Pogues have called it a day" or "no, it's bullshit, we are together, Shane did not quit and the announced tour is still on"?
The band simply ignore perplexed fans and their desperate questions. Is it a sign of respect?

How do we know its true? Even if it is true how do we know that the band have had a chance to speak to Shane or if there is a way of Shane doing one of his famous u turns or whatever. I think its a bit unfair to demand the band come out and make some sort of official statement which would be very final. Im sure if its true then a statement will come out.

Ps I checked on Spiders twitter but couldnt see anything?

Click the post on spider's twitter "considering the articles lack of charm, I'm inclined to think it's true". He also posts a few hours later that maybe its all a pack of lies. It's hard to know wheter the band members really know whats going on. Phil always seems to be very forthcoming with news as soon as he knows it himself, sometimes to the annoyance of spider who always prefers to keep everyone in suspense!! The independent article does seem very dramatic, in regards to not liking any of the band members except jem, that has to be bullshit, however I do feel that there has to be an element of truth to the main part of the story. Being that Shane has probably decided to call it a day.

[Low D]

Click the post on spider's twitter "considering the articles lack of charm, I'm inclined to think it's true". He also posts a few hours later that maybe its all a pack of lies. It's hard to know wheter the band members really know whats going on. Phil always seems to be very forthcoming with news as soon as he knows it himself, sometimes to the annoyance of spider who always prefers to keep everyone in suspense!! The independent article does seem very dramatic, in regards to not liking any of the band members except jem, that has to be bullshit, however I do feel that there has to be an element of truth to the main part of the story. Being that Shane has probably decided to call it a day.

Or the anon. music insider who's testimony it's based on was some guy sittin' next to Shane at the pub one night while he ranted his current mood.

One thing i have learned from this forum, and a few books, is that Shane would appear to live his emotions very much in the moment, and his definitive statements of one day are changeable, forgotten, or even totally denied the next. A read through A Dink With... gives any number of examples.

[Dan]

I fucking hope it isn't true ... Bluesfest first announcement is on Thursday.

[jsmith200]

Phil, after giving this considerable thought, here are some suggestions as to resolving the current impasse.
1. Go ahead with the Oz tour. However, on the return leg, push Cashman out of the window. We all know Shane's failure to come up with a memorable tune in the last 20 or so years can directly be attributed to having that loser on the ticket. If anyone is in any doubt, check out the Youtube clip from the Henry Rollins program.
2. Give Spider his marching orders. It's a mystery to me how he's survived in the company of real musicians all these years and I think you guys have carried him for long enough.
3. Give Shane an ultimatum - write a decent song for the first time since 1988 - or sayonara. The joke's worn rather thin all these years and he's only really been dragging you guys down all these years.
4. Hire a new frontman. The Emerald Isle is full of reasonable singers who are struggling to make a living given the current downturn. I'm sure they'd only be too happy to be given a chance. What about guest spots? I can see Christy coming on for Fairytale/Brown eyes for example.
5. Er, that's it.

[RICHB]

Phil, after giving this considerable thought, here are some suggestions as to resolving the current impasse.
1. Go ahead with the Oz tour. However, on the return leg, push Cashman out of the window. We all know Shane's failure to come up with a memorable tune in the last 20 or so years can directly be attributed to having that loser on the ticket. If anyone is in any doubt, check out the Youtube clip from the Henry Rollins program.
2. Give Spider his marching orders. It's a mystery to me how he's survived in the company of real musicians all these years and I think you guys have carried him for long enough.
3. Give Shane an ultimatum - write a decent song for the first time since 1988 - or sayonara. The joke's worn rather thin all these years and he's only really been dragging you guys down all these years.
4. Hire a new frontman. The Emerald Isle is full of reasonable singers who are struggling to make a living given the current downturn. I'm sure they'd only be too happy to be given a chance. What about guest spots? I can see Christy coming on for Fairytale/Brown eyes for example.
5. Er, that's it.

Whats Spider done wrong? He's a fine whistle player?

[philipchevron]

Phil, after giving this considerable thought, here are some suggestions as to resolving the current impasse.
1. Go ahead with the Oz tour. However, on the return leg, push Cashman out of the window. We all know Shane's failure to come up with a memorable tune in the last 20 or so years can directly be attributed to having that loser on the ticket. If anyone is in any doubt, check out the Youtube clip from the Henry Rollins program.
2. Give Spider his marching orders. It's a mystery to me how he's survived in the company of real musicians all these years and I think you guys have carried him for long enough.
3. Give Shane an ultimatum - write a decent song for the first time since 1988 - or sayonara. The joke's worn rather thin all these years and he's only really been dragging you guys down all these years.
4. Hire a new frontman. The Emerald Isle is full of reasonable singers who are struggling to make a living given the current downturn. I'm sure they'd only be too happy to be given a chance. What about guest spots? I can see Christy coming on for Fairytale/Brown eyes for example.
5. Er, that's it.

Whats Spider done wrong? He's a fine whistle player?

Everyone in the Pogues is a fine musician. I'm not about to engage with this topic at the moment but I will say that I rate Spider more highly as a player than he probably rates himself. Any old fool can play the tin whistle, few can play it with the expression of Spider Stacy. Steve Lillywhite knows this too.