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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 11:49 pm
by philipchevron
DzM wrote:
IrishRover wrote:me views & accent aren't exactly caged anoimals.. essence matters :idea:

This has nothing to do with your views. It has to do with your approximation of an Irish accent.

You've said before that you're embracing the Irish spirit and culture, and that one of the ways you're doing it is by writing in a way that reads like an Irish accent. I agree that some of your phonetic constructs do this, but many of them are just gibberish. I don't imagine you'll find many people in Ireland that pronounce "animals" as "an-oy-mals," "profitable" would not often "prof-oyt-able," and "renting" I hope would never be "rent-oyng" (that, to me, is how your words in this post "sound" when I read them). That's just farce.

I'm not asking you to stop. I just don't understand why you're going to such great lengths to make your writing unpleasant to read. Some people seem to invest a large amount of energy in making their writing a chore to read. It makes me wonder why they bother writing if they want to discourage others from considering the words.
so rents aren't profoitable category? maybe Sam Walton took the fortune from rentoing and founded next chain of profoits called Walmart :evil:

There are a lot of causes for neighborhood gentrification. It's a stretch to blame higher rent on "corporate society" though.

If your point is that people are preferring to shop at chain stores and malls rather than independent music shops, and that this general trend toward centralized corporate management is responsible for Rock On closing, then OK. Now your "victim of corporate society" comment makes sense. That's not what Philip said though. He said that the owner was unable to keep pace with the increased rents that resulted from the neighborhood becoming "yuppiefied."


Well, yes. But it would be disingenuous to pretend that the rent escalation had nothing to do with the aggressive spread of corporate retail, both American and British, in the neighbourhood. Where there are yuppies, there are shops for yuppies, where there are shops for yuppies, there are yuppies. The character of the Camden Town area faced an inevitable decline into homogenization once the television media (TV AM then MTV) moved in.

PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 11:55 pm
by DzM
philipchevron wrote:
DzM wrote:
Oirish wrote:so rents aren't profoitable category? maybe Sam Walton took the fortune from rentoing and founded next chain of profoits called Walmart :evil:

There are a lot of causes for neighborhood gentrification. It's a stretch to blame higher rent on "corporate society" though.

If your point is that people are preferring to shop at chain stores and malls rather than independent music shops, and that this general trend toward centralized corporate management is responsible for Rock On closing, then OK. Now your "victim of corporate society" comment makes sense. That's not what Philip said though. He said that the owner was unable to keep pace with the increased rents that resulted from the neighborhood becoming "yuppiefied."

Well, yes. But it would be disingenuous to pretend that the rent escalation had nothing to do with the aggressive spread of corporate retail, both American and British, in the neighbourhood. Where there are yuppies, there are shops for yuppies, where there are shops for yuppies, there are yuppies. The character of the Camden Town area faced an inevitable decline into homogenization once the television media (TV AM then MTV) moved in.

It is unfortunate that the character of nearly all urban centers has gone to crap after the growth of the mega-corporation and the homogenization of the commercial sector. I don't think I pretended above that this didn't happen. I didn't understand the intuitive leap that IrishRover made.

PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 2:22 pm
by IrishRover
philipchevron wrote:it would be disingenuous to pretend that the rent escalation had nothing to do with the aggressive spread of corporate retail


exactly.. and now for example, although years after same thoing is happenin' in Belgrade, Serbia.. proice of square meter of property skyrocketed(oid say multoiple oincrease comparin' to 90s).. flats and houses proices now oi thoink could match UK whoich is absurd.. all it shows capital and profoits have no boundaries and stroike everywhere.. and tis' obvious that where yuppies are, where corporate headquarters, boig banks, malls etc. AND wherever them BOIG ONES appear tis' all becoming loike reserved yappy space, pushes out average people, pushes out small shops, pushes out cultural stuff.. not to mention the subculture! and they tend to grab best parts of the coity .. so the urban subculture is forced out of urban areas - paradox par exelans!

oif smn asked me.. oid put "koids from flats all hoigh from snoiffing glue" to where corporate bastards have bulit koingdoms & mansions, and em' profoit makers into edgy ghetos

PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 2:57 pm
by Frances
IrishRover wrote:oif smn asked me.. oid put "koids from flats all hoigh from snoiffing glue" to where corporate bastards have bulit koingdoms & mansions, and em' profoit makers into edgy ghetos


Where, pray tell, would you vanquish the (and I quote "you" here) ..."artistic queers" to? And, once again, what is "worse" than an artistic queer?

Since you're feeling chatty, and all.

Personally, if the artistic queers are hanging around Holland Park...I'm in. It's beautiful 'round there. Make it happen! Ha, ha.

PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 4:32 pm
by DownInTheGround
IrishRover wrote:
philipchevron wrote:it would be disingenuous to pretend that the rent escalation had nothing to do with the aggressive spread of corporate retail


exactly.. and now for example, although years after same thoing is happenin' in Belgrade, Serbia.. proice of square meter of property skyrocketed(oid say multoiple oincrease comparin' to 90s).. flats and houses proices now oi thoink could match UK whoich is absurd.. all it shows capital and profoits have no boundaries and stroike everywhere.. and tis' obvious that where yuppies are, where corporate headquarters, boig banks, malls etc. AND wherever them BOIG ONES appear tis' all becoming loike reserved yappy space, pushes out average people, pushes out small shops, pushes out cultural stuff.. not to mention the subculture! and they tend to grab best parts of the coity .. so the urban subculture is forced out of urban areas - paradox par exelans!

oif smn asked me.. oid put "koids from flats all hoigh from snoiffing glue" to where corporate bastards have bulit koingdoms & mansions, and em' profoit makers into edgy ghetos


After forcing my eyes to read your post, you make some good, well worded points. However, it is like giving a speech to Parliment in a clown costume, it can not be taken seriously (a little like how William Hague's awful voice helped destroy chances of becoming prime minister) You undermine all the points by trying to use a medium (OIrish) that seems to have lost its charm and novelty. e.g Boig ones.

PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 4:45 pm
by DzM
Hey! Tiny world. Today's Monty strip mentions corporate hegemony too (though from the context of global warming, not gentrification or guitar playing):

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 9:27 pm
by DownInTheGround
OIrish, have you got you spanking new guitar yet soir?

PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 10:08 pm
by IrishRover
thanks for askoing, but sadly not yet
twoill take me more than 400$ whoich is good amount oi guess even outsoide Serbia and here tis' a small fortune.. oi have to check oif guitar woill safely be in Serbia for that amount and put asoide that money

oi stoill stoick woith that Epiphone choice and hope to order sooon :D

PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 10:14 pm
by DownInTheGround
Having never been to your fine home country I may be way of the mark, but $400 seems a silly amount. I am sure a Pawn Shop would have a good guitar at half that price.

PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 10:43 pm
by IrishRover
oim voictim of geography mate, oim here only cause oi have to... anyway wages in Serbia are soilly to be honest.. average monthly(!!!) wages here are sth above 300$.. so, ya know the rest :(

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 6:21 am
by Zuzana
DownInTheGround wrote:I am sure a Pawn Shop would have a good guitar at half that price.

IrishRover wrote:oim voictim of geography mate, oim here only cause oi have to... anyway wages in Serbia are soilly to be honest.. average monthly(!!!) wages here are sth above 300$

Brilliantly logical answer...

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 6:37 am
by MacRua
Do not tempt me with easy and obvious ways out! As soon as I am lucky enough to be victim I should derive as much pleasure of it as possible. What would I whine about?! What would they sympathize with?! Nah, I can't deprive my loyal fans of the second season of my saga. Visa story has lost its novelty. Enjoy dramatic story of $400 saving and guitar buying in the third world country... Where wages are so silly and all people are soulless villains...

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:32 pm
by IrishRover
oi have to check me doicktionary again.. oi always forget the spelloin'.. cenzoirshoip or cenzoirsheep.. agh, never moind, maybe 2nd's better, and it has just one oi, more than enough for the value of it :lol:

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 8:28 pm
by Zuzana
"Cenzoiring sheep" smells of animal cruelty. No such things tolerated here.

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 8:36 pm
by DownInTheGround
Zuzana wrote:"Cenzoiring sheep" smells of animal cruelty. No such things tolerated here.


I have heard that everytime they are on tv, they have to be covered by a white fuzzy thing, and there voices can not be directly broadcast.