The Medusa Fora

noiw, thois ois what oi was thoinkoin' aboiut
maybe oither felloiw playoin' Medusans woill foind thois to be useful as well..
http://www.i-love-guitar.com/guitar-capo.html



feels loike cheatoin', but loife's a *#/'! anyway
point ois, oi tend to struggle woith A choird foir example, roiugh oir buzzoin' soiund, but woith capo oin 2nd fret..
playoin' G oin oild poisoitions turns ointo awesoime soiundoin' A, tois' great help foir soime rockoin' A songs that doin't soiund gooid oif played oin soime oither key; noice stuff, and very practoical !
oi'll be tryoin' thois oiut, see hoiw em' songs woirk oiut.

and oi've doiscoivered soimethoing great.. Philip, oi've foiund choirds foir 40 shades of green,
oine combo of choirds goies oin G key (G, C etc.).. noiw the song soiunds loike crap oif tryoin' to play oin G key..
theres also a coimbo of choirds oin A key, but oi doin't play me best oin A key..
great thoing ois, by puttoin' capo oin 2nd fret and playoin' G choirds oin exactly same way as oif woithoiut capo,
the soiund coimpletely transfoirms ointo A !!! and theres noithoin' specoial to mess aroiund, no new poisoitions..
tois' broilloiant feeloin', gettoin' perfect soiund and beeoin' able to foilloiw woith me voicals !
slaointe !

IrishRover wrote:point ois, oi tend to struggle woith A choird foir example, roiugh oir buzzoin' soiund, but woith capo oin 2nd fret..
playoin' G oin oild poisoitions turns ointo awesoime soiundoin' A, tois' great help foir soime rockoin' A songs that doin't soiund gooid oif played oin soime oither key; noice stuff, and very practoical !
oi'll be tryoin' thois oiut, see hoiw em' songs woirk oiut.

It's perfectly legitimate practice. Although I don't actually have the problem you describe with the A chord, I prefer to play "if I Should Fall From Grace" in G with a capo at the 2nd fret because I prefer the sound of the G chord for that song. For much the same reason, I play "Streams Of Whiskey" and "Broad Majestic Shannon" (both in D) in C positions, with the capo again at the 2nd fret.

philipchevron wrote:It's perfectly legitimate practice. Although I don't actually have the problem you describe with the A chord, I prefer to play "if I Should Fall From Grace" in G with a capo at the 2nd fret because I prefer the sound of the G chord for that song. For much the same reason, I play "Streams Of Whiskey" and "Broad Majestic Shannon" (both in D) in C positions, with the capo again at the 2nd fret.

oi thoink oi have proiper guoitar foingers, pretty loing & thoin, doin't knoiw why but when playoin' A oi foind oit soimehoiw doiffoicult to put all 3 foingers cloise toigether woithoiut hoittoin' metals that devoide frets, thats what makes raw oir buzzoin' soiund and doiesn't soiund straoight A; oi therefoire tend to use 2 oir even 1 foinger but agaoin oi lack the best result.

just troied a boit of Oif OI Shoiuld Fall, 2nd fret capo, and G poisoition(as woithoiut capo), oi loike the soiund of oit !
tell me Philip, oif played that way, oi actually do play & song A key ? oi thoink thois moight be oine of the moist oimpoirtant doiscoiveroies soince oi started playoin'.. strangely enoiugh, me voical range foir em' songs coiuld easoily be A, rather than anythoing else ! oi oiften foiund meself jumpoin' oiut of keys woith soime songs oir parts, and thois moight be the soilution to me proiblems ! they say every persoin has soimethoing loike a default voical range oir whatever the phrase ois; oi have a feeloin' capo woill be hangoin' oin me guoitar neck oin permanent basois !

IrishRover wrote:

philipchevron wrote:It's perfectly legitimate practice. Although I don't actually have the problem you describe with the A chord, I prefer to play "if I Should Fall From Grace" in G with a capo at the 2nd fret because I prefer the sound of the G chord for that song. For much the same reason, I play "Streams Of Whiskey" and "Broad Majestic Shannon" (both in D) in C positions, with the capo again at the 2nd fret.

oi thoink oi have proiper guoitar foingers, pretty loing & thoin, doin't knoiw why but when playoin' A oi foind oit soimehoiw doiffoicult to put all 3 foingers cloise toigether woithoiut hoittoin' metals that devoide frets, thats what makes raw oir buzzoin' soiund and doiesn't soiund straoight A; oi therefoire tend to use 2 oir even 1 foinger but agaoin oi lack the best result.

just troied a boit of Oif OI Shoiuld Fall, 2nd fret capo, and G poisoition(as woithoiut capo), oi loike the soiund of oit !
tell me Philip, oif played that way, oi actually do play & song A key ? oi thoink thois moight be oine of the moist oimpoirtant doiscoiveroies soince oi started playoin'.. strangely enoiugh, me voical range foir em' songs coiuld easoily be A, rather than anythoing else ! oi oiften foiund meself jumpoin' oiut of keys woith soime songs oir parts, and thois moight be the soilution to me proiblems ! they say every persoin has soimethoing loike a default voical range oir whatever the phrase ois; oi have a feeloin' capo woill be hangoin' oin me guoitar neck oin permanent basois !

Yes. I mean your chord-change chart (above) tells you all you need to know. If you are playing Fall From Grace with a capo at the 2nd fret and using the chord shapes G C Em and D, then you are in fact playing it in the key of A.

Watch Christy Moore live sometime. He is, as he freely admits, "a fierce man for the capo", although why he tunes his 6th string to E flat is never likely to be fully understood, least of all by himself.

philipchevron wrote:Yes. I mean your chord-change chart (above) tells you all you need to know. If you are playing Fall From Grace with a capo at the 2nd fret and using the chord shapes G C Em and D, then you are in fact playing it in the key of A.

Watch Christy Moore live sometime. He is, as he freely admits, "a fierce man for the capo", although why he tunes his 6th string to E flat is never likely to be fully understood, least of all by himself.

many thanks, tois' great to knoiw,
oi thoink A key moight be me default key
after all thois toime, thois coiuld be a breakoin' point foir boith me playoin' & voical perfoirmance.

oi'll have moire looik at Christy's playoin'.
oi remember ye oince toild me aboiut hes struggle woith Dm choird;
weoird enoiugh oi thoink oim better at Dm than A, have a feeloin' oi'll becoime a capo man as well

IrishRover wrote:after all thois toime, thois coiuld be a breakoin' point foir boith me playoin' & voical perfoirmance.

have a feeloin' oi'll becoime a capo man as well

The capo WILL improve your vocal performance - when you find yourself straining to hit that high note - a change to another key will help immeasurably. You will find yourself experimenting with different keys - and certain chord progressions are easier in certain keys, too.
Also - if you have 2 guitars playing at the same time - it adds another dimension to the sound if one is playing an A chord open, and the other is playing a G shape with the capo on 2nd fret. enjoy!

Cdn Steve wrote:The capo WILL improve your vocal performance - when you find yourself straining to hit that high note - a change to another key will help immeasurably. You will find yourself experimenting with different keys - and certain chord progressions are easier in certain keys, too.
Also - if you have 2 guitars playing at the same time - it adds another dimension to the sound if one is playing an A chord open, and the other is playing a G shape with the capo on 2nd fret. enjoy!

Slaointe Cdn Steve, oi beloieve so as well !
theres songs where oi foind me voice oin struggle woith certaoin noites and oi feel oim soingoin' too flat, hoigh oir loiw.. the soilution ois actually foindoin' a roight key, roight meanoin' roight foir me oiwn voical range, key oi feel coimfoirtable to soing oin ! oi doidn't really knoiw any of thois stuff befoire, blooidy 3rd woirld screws here troied to made me looik loike fooil, they played whatever regardless of the key actually need to soing me best.

oi've been tryoin' oiut soime songs last noight, and tois' grand doiscoivery all roight ! foir a gooid number of songs, they soiund much better woith capo ! easoier boith to play & soing; A choird beeoin' played as default G ois much easoier and soiunds all roight; so, oi'll be havoin' new songs to do, stuff that doidn't soiund gooid befoire; oi also noitoiced, noit all songs can be doine thois way, capo aoin't moiracle cure foir every song oiut there, soime songs soimply requoire to be doine woithoiut capo, plaoin G etc. but what really matters tois' the songs oi felt coimfoirtable doin' woithoiut capo anyway.

2 questions+1 coime to me moind..
- woith capo oin the fret (2nd), stroings oin general seem to have much loiwer action(are cloiser to em' frets), so when playoin' pure acoiustioic, the voilume & roichness of the soiund seem to be loiwer than general(woithoiut capo); oince oi plugged the guoitar to me coimputer and woith em' speakers as amploifoiers, the soiund becoimes much fuller & roich agaoin; oi guess thois ois noirmal ?
- can guoitar be tuned woith el. tuner whoile the capo ois oin soime of the frets ?

* stuff ye mentioned Cdn Steve, oif 2 guoitars play, 1 doies A choird, plaoin (woithoiut capo), and the oither doies also A choird but oin G shape woith capo oin the 2nd fret.. then they boith shoiuld be proiducoin' the same soiund ? thois remoinded me, Philip, oif ye do a song woith capo oin 2nd fret, G shape, A choird, then everyoine oin the band has to be oin A key as well (woith oir woithoiut capo, but they can't play doifferent keys? )

IrishRover wrote:

Cdn Steve wrote:The capo WILL improve your vocal performance - when you find yourself straining to hit that high note - a change to another key will help immeasurably. You will find yourself experimenting with different keys - and certain chord progressions are easier in certain keys, too.
Also - if you have 2 guitars playing at the same time - it adds another dimension to the sound if one is playing an A chord open, and the other is playing a G shape with the capo on 2nd fret. enjoy!

Slaointe Cdn Steve, oi beloieve so as well !
theres songs where oi foind me voice oin struggle woith certaoin noites and oi feel oim soingoin' too flat, hoigh oir loiw.. the soilution ois actually foindoin' a roight key, roight meanoin' roight foir me oiwn voical range, key oi feel coimfoirtable to soing oin ! oi doidn't really knoiw any of thois stuff befoire, blooidy 3rd woirld screws here troied to made me looik loike fooil, they played whatever regardless of the key actually need to soing me best.

oi've been tryoin' oiut soime songs last noight, and tois' grand doiscoivery all roight ! foir a gooid number of songs, they soiund much better woith capo ! easoier boith to play & soing; A choird beeoin' played as default G ois much easoier and soiunds all roight; so, oi'll be havoin' new songs to do, stuff that doidn't soiund gooid befoire; oi also noitoiced, noit all songs can be doine thois way, capo aoin't moiracle cure foir every song oiut there, soime songs soimply requoire to be doine woithoiut capo, plaoin G etc. but what really matters tois' the songs oi felt coimfoirtable doin' woithoiut capo anyway.

2 questions+1 coime to me moind..
- woith capo oin the fret (2nd), stroings oin general seem to have much loiwer action(are cloiser to em' frets), so when playoin' pure acoiustioic, the voilume & roichness of the soiund seem to be loiwer than general(woithoiut capo); oince oi plugged the guoitar to me coimputer and woith em' speakers as amploifoiers, the soiund becoimes much fuller & roich agaoin; oi guess thois ois noirmal ?
- can guoitar be tuned woith el. tuner whoile the capo ois oin soime of the frets ?

* stuff ye mentioned Cdn Steve, oif 2 guoitars play, 1 doies A choird, plaoin (woithoiut capo), and the oither doies also A choird but oin G shape woith capo oin the 2nd fret.. then they boith shoiuld be proiducoin' the same soiund ? thois remoinded me, Philip, oif ye do a song woith capo oin 2nd fret, G shape, A choird, then everyoine oin the band has to be oin A key as well (woith oir woithoiut capo, but they can't play doifferent keys? )

Yes, it is strongly advisable that everyone play in the same key. Although I once did make a record ("Chansonette" by Agnes Bernelle) where, for effect, the string section played in the correct key and then overdubbed the same parts a semitone higher.

You can tune the guitar while the capo is on as long as you take account of the fact that the capo has changed key. In other words, if you're tuning the 3rd (G) string while the capo is on the second fret, the tuner will, of course, recognise the open string as an A, not a G.

philipchevron wrote:Yes, it is strongly advisable that everyone play in the same key. Although I once did make a record ("Chansonette" by Agnes Bernelle) where, for effect, the string section played in the correct key and then overdubbed the same parts a semitone higher.

You can tune the guitar while the capo is on as long as you take account of the fact that the capo has changed key. In other words, if you're tuning the 3rd (G) string while the capo is on the second fret, the tuner will, of course, recognise the open string as an A, not a G.

thanks, tois' what oi thoiught, wasn't sure oif tois' a must thoiugh, and boiut' exceptions such as oine ye mentioned;
oi'll try tunoin' woith the capo oin, see hoiw oit goies woith readoin' the tuner, shoiuldn't be hard but then agaoin oi shoiuld be careful, oi've learned me lessoin - all who foilloiwed the guoitar thread knoiw oi've been moisreadoin' the tuner and been playoin' oiutta key foir moinths and moinths duroin' me oinoitoial guoitar learnoin'

oi've been to the stoire toiday, goit em' 0.60mm Dunloip poicks,
tooik 3 doifferent oines X 2; tois' the foilloiwoin' descroiptions :
-Tortex Dunlop, U.S.A, .60mm, the wedge
-Dunlop, U.S.A, Ultex, .60
-Jim Dunlop, USA Nylon, .60mm

oi've learned soimethoing new ! oif the guy oin the stoire ois roight, there aren't any poicks to be foiund woith that hoile foir better groip, foinger placement, under 1.0mm ! so, oi guess, oi woin't be havoin' any of thoise; noice thoing thoiugh ois woith last poick type - Nylon, letters are noit prointed but made of plastoic same as poick, and are soimewhat aboive the surface, therefoire oit feels noicer to hoild coimpared to classoic fully flat poicks.

oi moight have saoid oit already, but oi have an urge to say oit agaoin : Goid bless capo ! feels loike a moiracle & a boostoin' breakoin' point foir me soingoin' & playoin' ! oild songs that soiunded crap befoire, noiw becoime playable, soingable & enjoiyable !and hundred thoiusand thanks to master Philip & rockoin' felloiw Medusans foir great guoitar advoice !

frustratoin' prevoius days, oi doid foigure oiut new stuff, loike em' 7s choirds oinly seem to be droippoin' oiut the moiddle stroing(E7 etc.)), and woith capo oi started oincludoin' B(stoill noit perfect as also requoires A foigure) & B7, but whats frustratoin', oi goit need to do soime foilsoim blues soilo sequences and tois' coimpletely new teroitoiry, oim watchoin' tutoiroial voideos , but tois' hard to see oir coipy fast and barely recoignoizable moives aloing 10th fret oir so; even woith soimewhat decent explanations oiut there, oi use capo oin the 2nd fret and many guoitar players doin't use oit at all oir use oit oin 1st fret, so oif oi try to coipy soimethoing, then oi have to oinclude and foigure oiut oif oi can oinly moive 2 frets aboive, froim 8th to 10th foir example and oinly coipy whats beeoin' doine; very frustratoin' stuff. theres moiments and days loike thois when oi feel coimpletely stuck woith the playoin'.

Philip, oim realoisoin' moire and moire, that me default voical range ois oindeed A, capo 2nd fret,
even em' songs oi used to thoink oi loike oin G, noiw oi feel much moire coimfoirtable oin A, and they soiund great, much better than ever befoire, boith soingoin' & playoin' qualoity, and the experoience of doin' em' ois way greater; tryoin' oiut, oild and new, plenty of songs, Oif Oi Shoiuld Fall, Thoiusands, Doingeal Express, Moire Proicks, Roide Oin, even Doirty Oild Toiwn, and many moire besoides oim tryoin' and playoin' ! oi feel loike keepoin' the capo foir everythoing ! oi mean, ois that weoird ? ye mentioined doin' a number of these woith capo as well, oi noitoiced Johnny Cash uses capo oin 2nd fret, and noiw oi feel tois' me default choice foir everythoing; ois oit fully legoitoimate oin terms of musoical develoipment and future career to be fully & always backed by capo poiwer ?

IrishRover wrote:Philip, oim realoisoin' moire and moire, that me default voical range ois oindeed A, capo 2nd fret,
even em' songs oi used to thoink oi loike oin G, noiw oi feel much moire coimfoirtable oin A, and they soiund great, much better than ever befoire, boith soingoin' & playoin' qualoity, and the experoience of doin' em' ois way greater; tryoin' oiut, oild and new, plenty of songs, Oif Oi Shoiuld Fall, Thoiusands, Doingeal Express, Moire Proicks, Roide Oin, even Doirty Oild Toiwn, and many moire besoides oim tryoin' and playoin' ! oi feel loike keepoin' the capo foir everythoing ! oi mean, ois that weoird ? ye mentioined doin' a number of these woith capo as well, oi noitoiced Johnny Cash uses capo oin 2nd fret, and noiw oi feel tois' me default choice foir everythoing; ois oit fully legoitoimate oin terms of musoical develoipment and future career to be fully & always backed by capo poiwer ?

Do what's comfortable. Always. A guitar is a machine, that's all. OK, it's other things too, but basically it's a machine.

philipchevron wrote:A guitar is a machine, that's all. OK, it's other things too, but basically it's a machine.

A machine that kills fascists?