The Medusa Fora

IrishRover wrote:well, capo oindeed seems to be a must foir soime songs..
example, even OIroishRover song, oi can play em' chroids but
oit just doiesn't soiund roight.. oi've been watchoin' on-loine
voideos, soime guoitar players seem to be usoin' capo oin
the foirst fret;

oi guess, oi'll have to buy oine
and gam's suggestion seems great; then foir Thoiusands, oi
can put capo oin 2nd fret and use 3rd fret as 1st woith the
replacement choirds he's wroitten

Maybe it's a pointless piece of advise. But don't force yourself to play it on the tone the original has. For example you could try to see if the chords gam wrote work well without capo on your voice. Anyway, the capo is pretty useful, so it's a good idea to buy one. Still you'll need to get hold of barres, so don't use it just as a comfortable escape from barre chords: you'll need to learn'em all the same! Good luck!

(had hard times with those fuckers, I was quite young, probably eleven or twelve, and really was thinking about quitting guitar. Don't do it, anyway!)

As Billie says it is important to learn barre chords for any guitar player, i didn't just suggest the capo to make it easier i just know that philip chevron play's different songs with a capo, because he doesn't like the sound of certain chords, and they sound better in a different key. As Billie says again you don't have to play it in the same key as the pogues or anybody else play who plays traditional songs, you can move the capo up and down the neck and find the best key for your voice. just moving one fret can make all the differance to making it sound good to making it sounding shit.
I'm pretty sure the Pogues play the Irish rover song without a capo with the G,C and D chords.
Also last night i watched a video on youtube of the pogues in Japan 1991 i think, playing rain street and philip chevron was play it with a capo on the 5th fret, playing G,C and D chords which makes the sound of C,F and G.
So there's endless combinations of keys and different chords to play the same song's, you just have to find the best one for you.

oim goinna buy a capo, any advoice oin that oir they'll are the same?
as foir barre choirds, oi guess oi'll have to face em' at soime point,
oi guess at thois very point, oim stoill pleased enoiugh woith what oi've
learned already and stoill am buoildoin' a playloist of songs, so that
oitself demadns enoiugh woirk already; noithoin' coimes oivernoight,
oi learned that ! guoitar playoin' step by step, patoience, patoience,
patoience, practoise, practoise, practoise .. and essence, to feel em'
songs, oinly then theres magoic.

IrishRover wrote:oim goinna buy a capo, any advoice oin that oir they'll are the same?
as foir barre choirds, oi guess oi'll have to face em' at soime point,
oi guess at thois very point, oim stoill pleased enoiugh woith what oi've
learned already and stoill am buoildoin' a playloist of songs, so that
oitself demadns enoiugh woirk already; noithoin' coimes oivernoight,
oi learned that ! guoitar playoin' step by step, patoience, patoience,
patoience, practoise, practoise, practoise .. and essence, to feel em'
songs, oinly then theres magoic.

Some capos are straight across and some have a slight curve, these latter exclusively suited to guitar necks which also have a slight curve.

By the way, I never did learn barre chords, as my hands are too small to reach. I adopted a sort of half-barre-and-thumb cheat method many years ago which has served me reasonably well.

philipchevron wrote:

IrishRover wrote:oim goinna buy a capo, any advoice oin that oir they'll are the same?
as foir barre choirds, oi guess oi'll have to face em' at soime point,
oi guess at thois very point, oim stoill pleased enoiugh woith what oi've
learned already and stoill am buoildoin' a playloist of songs, so that
oitself demadns enoiugh woirk already; noithoin' coimes oivernoight,
oi learned that ! guoitar playoin' step by step, patoience, patoience,
patoience, practoise, practoise, practoise .. and essence, to feel em'
songs, oinly then theres magoic.

Some capos are straight across and some have a slight curve, these latter exclusively suited to guitar necks which also have a slight curve.

By the way, I never did learn barre chords, as my hands are too small to reach. I adopted a sort of half-barre-and-thumb cheat method many years ago which has served me reasonably well.

Ah yeah, the most important thing is findin' a way to make things work right! And I don't think anyone here will blame you for never havin' got hold of barre chords. (sometimes I don't feel too great with them, after many years playing rhythm guitar, there's always some note sounding muted on acoustic guitar)

Oirish, I personally don't like much the ones with a strap on them, as I don't feel they are "stable" enough, but that's a personal question of mine, I think they probably work as well (or maybe even better) than most ones. Try to see which one you feel more comfortable in putting on your guitar neck, without bending strings or fuckin' up the tuning.

philipchevron wrote:By the way, I never did learn barre chords, as my hands are too small to reach. I adopted a sort of half-barre-and-thumb cheat method many years ago which has served me reasonably well.

I have the same problem with my mitts being considered too small to play the guitar and have adopted a similar approach. I taught myself to play on an electric guitar where hand size wasn't a problem but when switching to an acoustic you certainly release the difference.

The best tune for learning barre chords, Billy Bragg's A New England.

philipchevron wrote:Some capos are straight across and some have a slight curve, these latter exclusively suited to guitar necks which also have a slight curve.

thanks, oi'll have to take a looik oin em' loical stoires here,
oi guess me guoitar neck ois moire narroiw than woith the classoic
acoiustoics, boidy ois sloimmer too but oin general tois' amploifoied
acoiustoic;
hoipe oi'll make a roight choice, oin soime stoires oim surely noit
walkoin' ointo agaoin, and oin oithers oi tend to take me toime to make
the best choice; oim pleased woith last pack of stroings, oih yeah!

philipchevron wrote:By the way, I never did learn barre chords, as my hands are too small to reach. I adopted a sort of half-barre-and-thumb cheat method many years ago which has served me reasonably well.

yeah, oi remembered ye mentioned that oin learnoin' guoitar thread;
but ye have yer oiwn way foir em'; what woiuld ye recoimmend foir
soimeoine loike meself, who has just learned (oir maybe stoill learnoin'
the basoics ois a better descroiption), am oi goinna be needoin' em'
barre choirds sooin? are they really so must.. oim not yet even sure what
theoir purpoise ois, oi can oinly guess that oim goinna need many foingers,
stretchoin' & loiads of stress due to faoiloin', well at least oit felt foir that
foir soimple choirds and soime oi stoill need to learn

I have this one and it works fine. It's a dunlop btw

tois' huge!
can that woirk woith boith acoiustoic & electroic oir tois' just foir oine of a koind?

IrishRover wrote:am oi goinna be needoin' em'
barre choirds sooin? are they really so must.. oim not yet even sure what
theoir purpoise ois, oi can oinly guess that oim goinna need many foingers,
stretchoin' & loiads of stress due to faoiloin', well at least oit felt foir that
foir soimple choirds and soime oi stoill need to learn

Check out the Billy Bragg link, the entire tune is mostly played by holding a full F chord and sliding your hand up and down the neck.
If you play solo and most tunes are in the same 3 or 4 chords, playing a barre chord can add extra colour to the tune.

IrishRover wrote::shock: tois' huge!
can that woirk woith boith acoiustoic & electroic oir tois' just foir oine of a koind?

Yeah I can use mine on acoustic and electric (it even works on my mandolin although it wasn't meant for that)

Jon wrote:
Check out the Billy Bragg link, the entire tune is mostly played by holding a full F chord and sliding your hand up and down the neck.
If you play solo and most tunes are in the same 3 or 4 chords, playing a barre chord can add extra colour to the tune.

many thanks foir that loink Jon, oit coiuld be a start;
F choird, well oi stoill struggle woith oit, haven't put enoiugh energy oin gettoin' oit roight,
oi pretty much fake oit hoinestly, oi tend to play oit woith oinly pressoin'
E & B stroings oin the foirst fret

Mick Molloy wrote:Yeah I can use mine on acoustic and electric (it even works on my mandolin although it wasn't meant for that)

oik Mick, well then oi guess woith soimoilar oine oi woin't make a moistake;
talkoin' of mandoiloins, seen yers oin em' voideo, looiks cooil, electroic and playoin' ois gooid !

anoither broiken stroing, oim startoin' to buy stroings moire oiften, noit a cheap spoirt oi must say

what moire oimpoirtant oi guess, oi boiught a capo !
tois' marked as foir el. guoitar but woill foit me guoitar perfectly
as tois' woith narroiw neck and acoiustoic-electroic;
paoid oit nearly 30$, noit cheap at all

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Mick Molloy wrote:It's the same one! And they'll last your whole life!

So don't lose it!