James you should kill Steve Lillywhite

**Fri Dec 30, 2005 2:09 am**

He drowned your accoridon out. I always listened to the subtle yet "more than meets the eye" sound of your accordion playing on the recordings.....Should have been louder, at least a couple notches

**Fri Dec 30, 2005 2:12 am**

as a box player I shouldn't spell accordion wrong. That is blasphemy

**Fri Dec 30, 2005 4:38 am**

Jim Pettijohn wrote:He drowned your accoridon out. I always listened to the subtle yet "more than meets the eye" sound of your accordion playing on the recordings.....Should have been louder, at least a couple notches

Steve knew that James's accordion goes to 11 (one louder) and could fend for itself in the mix. Man's a genius. Lillywhite. Fearnley too, obviously.

**Fri Dec 30, 2005 9:22 am**

philipchevron wrote:Lillywhite. Fearnley too, obviously.

Couldn't agree more, Lillywhite is one of the best (if not THE best) and James is THE best accordian player out there

**Fri Dec 30, 2005 10:08 am**

Why not just make 10 louder on the amps?

**Fri Dec 30, 2005 12:15 pm**

By the way did anyone notice Steve Lillywhite looks like the Crocodile Hunter in the Fairytale documentary :lol:

**Fri Dec 30, 2005 6:39 pm**

Steady on there John.

And yes, I noticed that too Mick. Very alike. :wink:

**Mon Jan 09, 2006 8:31 am**

personally, i think the rythm guitar is what should have been cranked up because that's obviously the heart and soul of every pogues song ever made. :wink:

**Mon Jan 09, 2006 10:05 am**

In my opinion Steve Lillywhite did a great job on IISFFGWG. It must be incredibly hard to find the right balance between all the instruments because there is so much going on with different kinds of picked and strummed string instruments etc. I am not so pleased with Steve's production on P&L, though. The seperation is not very good and the drums are a little overpowering. Still we have to thankful that the Pogues never fell prey to that awful 80s production style with echo-drums and all that crap!

**Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:30 am**

A lot of Marshall Crenshaw fans are still complaining 20 years later that Steve Lillywhite ruined MC's Field Day album with the giant echoey drums and general overproduction. I dunno, I'm probably more forgiving about that because Mr. Lillywhite's production style often reminds me of that big Phil Spector wall of sound, which I like. To my amateur ears, the production on If I Should Fall From Grace With God is spectacular -- I think it's one of the crispest, clearest records I've ever heard. Peace & Love always seemed a bit murkier to me but I think it benefited from last year's remaster and tracks like "White City" seem brighter to me. I still think the best production job Steve Lillywhite ever did was on Kirsty MacColl's Kite, but then again I'm biased because that's my favorite record of all time anyway. IMO records like If I Should Fall and Kite have aged so well because they weren't trying to be hip and trendy and of the moment in the first place, so they sound just as fresh now as they did back when they came out.

**Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:14 pm**

Steve's work on PEACE AND LOVE sounds "murkier" because he had a murkier, more tour-weary band to work with. There is a great deal of blurring of various people's shortcomings going on. In that respect, his work is a triumph, though I think Steve would be the first to admit he was not a little murky himself in those days.

We took the view that our fans, if not the wider world, would rather hear us yelping in pain than not at all, so....publish and be damned, we said. And we were, though I am always mindful of the fact that David Bowie's most outstanding though deeply unhappy albums (Diamond Dogs, David Live, Young Americans, Station To Station) all sound like car crashes.

**Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:37 pm**

Hmm, thanks for the info, Philip, that's interesting to hear. Peace & Love is still my 2nd favorite Pogues record after IISFFGWG -- I play it more than I play the first two albums combined so you all (and Steve Lillywhite) must've done something right!

Steve Lillywhite produced four of my personal Top 10 (maybe 15) albums ever -- the two Pogues albums and Kirsty's Kite and Electric Landlady -- so you won't get any Lillywhite production complaints out of me.

**Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:20 pm**

Yes, not bad for a former Snivelling Shits bass player.

Spooky: Barry "DJ Scratchy" Myers is ALSO a former Snivelling Shits bass player. :shock:

**Tue Jan 10, 2006 10:52 pm**

Jim Pettijohn wrote:James you should kill Steve Lillywhite

A little harsh, no?;)

**Sat Mar 25, 2006 3:21 pm**

I followed the band avidly around the UK as a live unit between 1984 and 1990, and concommitantly, was always being mesmerised by the creative gains the studio based The Pogues achieved. The Noisy Boysies/PogueMahone came to a fruition in a manner I believe no-one could have predicted and all in very short order.
I always found it quite astonishing how the crisp freshness, the sense of adventure and possibility of IISFFGWG was replaced by the 'Car Crash' murkiness of 'Peace and Love' within a relatively short space of time. It is as though The Pogues reached the summit - and then went very weary.
Notwithsanding the above - some of The Pogues greatest songs and arrangements appear on 'Peace and Love' - namely 'London You're a Lady', 'Down all the Days'. 'Misty Morning, Albert Bridge' and 'Lorelei'.
However - some of the most execrable Pogues moments were for the first time publicly aired on the disc - 'Blue Heaven', 'Boat Train'...
It was a long time ago - but did it signal the creative defeat of the band?

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