John Grinny Grinton / NIPS drummer

[philipchevron]

they hardly done it to sell more records now did they?

You'd think not. But what was the Gaede twins' mum thinking then?

Thank you for that link, Fintan. I've been trying to find these little madams ever since they appeared in a Louis Theroux BBC film, but I couldn't remember their names.

[CraigBatty]

they hardly done it to sell more records now did they?

You'd think not. But what was the Gaede twins' mum thinking then?

Thank you for that link, Fintan. I've been trying to find these little madams ever since they appeared in a Louis Theroux BBC film, but I couldn't remember their names.

You're more than welcome Philip... their mum should be charged with child abuse...

[carol]

they hardly done it to sell more records now did they?

You'd think not. But what was the Gaede twins' mum thinking then?

I doubt that she was motivated strictly by the possibility of selling records. I saw her and the twins on some US news magazine show -- Primetime or something. I got the impression that she's a true believer type.

She (and the girls) gave me the creeps. And that's understating it.

[Niall]

they hardly done it to sell more records now did they?

You'd think not. But what was the Gaede twins' mum thinking then?

I doubt that she was motivated strictly by the possibility of selling records. I saw her and the twins on some US news magazine show -- Primetime or something. I got the impression that she's a true believer type.

She (and the girls) gave me the creeps. And that's understating it.

seen them before alright. dunno about child abuse fintan, whats the difference between putting nazi ideas into their head when theyre too young to make an informed choice and putting christian/catholic ideas into your kids head when theyre too young to make an infromed choice?

[CraigBatty]

seen them before alright. dunno about child abuse fintan, whats the difference between putting nazi ideas into their head when theyre too young to make an informed choice and putting christian/catholic ideas into your kids head when theyre too young to make an infromed choice?

Please don't get me started Niall a chara. But for starters...
Not being a Catholic, I can't speak for their dogma, but I'm pretty sure that pathological race-hate is no longer de rigeur for Catholics. I will not be drawn on this... with all due friendly respect.

[Niall]

seen them before alright. dunno about child abuse fintan, whats the difference between putting nazi ideas into their head when theyre too young to make an informed choice and putting christian/catholic ideas into your kids head when theyre too young to make an infromed choice?

Please don't get me started Niall a chara. But for starters...
Not being a Catholic, I can't speak for their dogma, but I'm pretty sure that pathological race-hate is no longer de rigeur for Catholics. I will not be drawn on this... with all due friendly respect.

i know its not a great comparison, but it is somethng that has always sat uncomfortably with me. i mean youre baptised confession communion and confirmation all by the time youre 11 and thats hardly an age where you can really make an informed opinion now is it?

[MissWalshy]

Teenagers here tend to be confirmed at 13/14 and are encouraged to make this decision for them and not for anyone else.

Perhaps its different in N.Ireland?

[firehazard]

Of course, whether or not you choose to continue to practise the faith in which you were brought up when you reach the age of maturity is up to every individual to decide for themselves. That's assuming that they were brought up in any faith to start off with, and many people in the western world today are not. But if you are never given the information on which to make an informed choice, then you're not going to be able to make that choice anyway.

[Niall]

Teenagers here tend to be confirmed at 13/14 and are encouraged to make this decision for them and not for anyone else.

Perhaps its different in N.Ireland?

no we get confirmed at 11, 10 for the younger ones in the year group

[Niall]

Of course, whether or not you choose to continue to practise the faith in which you were brought up when you reach the age of maturity is up to every individual to decide for themselves. That's assuming that they were brought up in any faith to start off with, and many people in the western world today are not. But if you are never given the information on which to make an informed choice, then you're not going to be able to make that choice anyway.

some people do leave their faith but when you got to catholic school and having it drummed into you everyday since you were three its very difficult, and as you said, we werent given info on other choices

[firehazard]

The point is also that if you weren't given the information about the Catholic faith (or whatever particular faith it is that the family/community in which you live practises), then you wouldn't be in a position to make an informed acceptance or rejection of that faith.

[John Powers]

The point is also that if you weren't given the information about the Catholic faith (or whatever particular faith it is that the family/community in which you live practises), then you wouldn't be in a position to make an informed acceptance or rejection of that faith.

This is crap. In the case where one can form his/her own outlook on life without being pushed, he/she can also make a choice of finding the religion which seems right or, as most of these do, not take any part in practicing religion.

[Niall]

The point is also that if you weren't given the information about the Catholic faith (or whatever particular faith it is that the family/community in which you live practises), then you wouldn't be in a position to make an informed acceptance or rejection of that faith.

This is crap. In the case where one can form his/her own outlook on life without being pushed, he/she can also make a choice of finding the religion which seems right or, as most of these do, not take any part in practicing religion.

you obviously werent brought up within the catholic school system in Ireland

[firehazard]

That assumes that it's possible to live your life without coming under any form of influence from any direction, religious or non-religious. Which is basically impossible. We all have our attitudes and beliefs formed, knowingly or not, by the society in which we live, whatever that may be. If that society has religious beliefs, then we will have the opportunity either to accept or reject those beliefs. If we are never given the opportunity to explore those beliefs, we will never have the chance to make that informed choice.

[Niall]

That assumes that it's possible to live your life without coming under any form of influence from any direction, religious or non-religious. Which is basically impossible. We all have our attitudes and beliefs formed, knowingly or not, by the society in which we live, whatever that may be. If that society has religious beliefs, then we will have the opportunity either to accept or reject those beliefs. If we are never given the opportunity to explore those beliefs, we will never have the chance to make that informed choice.

well put firehazard but i still think its hard to reject a belief youre constantly having drummed into you from the day you are able to listen