The Rare Oul' Stuff

**Wed Feb 25, 2009 2:33 pm**

in_the_morning wrote:Sorry but I don't know what ZTT is?

ZTT is the record label on which The Rare Oul' Stuff was released.

http://www.ztt.com/artists/shane_macgowan.html

**Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:29 pm**

firehazard wrote:
in_the_morning wrote:Sorry but I don't know what ZTT is?

ZTT is the record label on which The Rare Oul' Stuff was released.

http://www.ztt.com/artists/shane_macgowan.html

ah yeah, thanks! Actually this is a bit annoying (from the link you've posted):

"When Shane MacGowan was fired from The Pogues in 1988 critics were quick to conclude this was the end of his career. His lifestyle (at the time said to include up to 50 tabs of acid a day) was making the headlines more than his music, but this soon changed..."

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He was "sacked" (depends on the point of view I suppose) in 1991, not 1988. Why can't they write down 1991? It is so obvious that in 1988 he was still in the band and they had a major success with "If I Should Fall...". Why does a label get this wrong? The point is that people who don't know about the Pogues and Shane MacGowan read it and think "Ah he left the Pogues in 1988...". I mean everybody makes mistakes, no question, but I hate it when the media gets something wrong and everybody seems to believe facts that are not true.

**Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:45 pm**

Thank god it ain't just me! My wife says i'm too mithered by stuff like that, but it REALLY gets my goat..as they say...somewhere, i'm sure...was enjoying a book a couple of weeks ago...set in Leeds...real grim stuff it was..and the author was on about leeds united fc...them being beaten in the European Cup final 1976...now i'm no Leeds fan (MUFC me)..but I do know it were 75 not 76...I hate mistakes like that..it's just laziness...and I never read one more word of that book...petty? no...get yer facts right... :evil:

**Wed Feb 25, 2009 9:09 pm**

old barney greyheron wrote:Thank god it ain't just me! My wife says i'm too mithered by stuff like that, but it REALLY gets my goat..as they say...somewhere, i'm sure...was enjoying a book a couple of weeks ago...set in Leeds...real grim stuff it was..and the author was on about leeds united fc...them being beaten in the European Cup final 1976...now i'm no Leeds fan (MUFC me)..but I do know it were 75 not 76...I hate mistakes like that..it's just laziness...and I never read one more word of that book...petty? no...get yer facts right...

I like you!

In the german wikipedia article about the Pogues there are some brilliant mistakes. For example they say that the Pogues wrote "Dirty Old Town" and mention it as one of the Pogues' greatest hits. I actually hate it when people only know bands because of a cover version they did, but never mention their own great stuff. It is often declared that Shane MacGowan wrote "The Irish Rover" as well. And somewhere on the internet I read that "IISFFGWG" was released in 1987. :roll:

**Wed Feb 25, 2009 9:31 pm**

in_the_morning wrote:I actually hate it when people only know bands because of a cover version they did, but never mention their own great stuff.

Oh come now. Sometimes that's deserved. Tell me there's a single Joe Cocker original work worth even half of his cover of The Beatles' "With a Little Help From My Friends."

**Wed Feb 25, 2009 9:43 pm**

DzM wrote:
in_the_morning wrote:I actually hate it when people only know bands because of a cover version they did, but never mention their own great stuff.

Oh come now. Sometimes that's deserved. Tell me there's a single Joe Cocker original work worth even half of his cover of The Beatles' "With a Little Help From My Friends."

I actually don't know anything by Joe Cocker, sorry

No I just meant that there are people out there who like the Pogues because of "Dirty Old Town" but probably don't know anything about whatever "Lullaby of London", "Thousands are Sailing", "Fairytale of New York", "Sayonara", a.s.o...that's the sad thing because they do miss great music.

**Wed Feb 25, 2009 9:52 pm**

No argument that it'd be nice if an artist was appreciated more for the merits of their original works than for covers, but there are some cases where it is certainly warranted.

Regardless of that, there's much evidence that Fairytale of new York is certainly the Pogues' most well known and most played track. Last.fm claims that over the last six months FToNY outplayed DOT by a factor of 4:

http://www.last.fm/music/The+Pogues/+ch ... ype=tracks

This is probably an unfair comparison though since Christmas was right in the middle of all that, and Christmas is really FToNY's season. Last week they were much closer:

http://www.last.fm/music/The+Pogues/+ch ... ype=tracks

As will all statistics, please remember that these are lies and damned lies.

**Thu Feb 26, 2009 9:44 am**

firehazard wrote:
in_the_morning wrote:Sorry but I don't know what ZTT is?

ZTT is the record label on which The Rare Oul' Stuff was released.

ZTT is the label on which all of Shane MacGowan & The Popes stuff was released, i.e. singles and two studio albums of 1994-1998 period (besides Across.. live album and live DVD).
That's where legs of The Rare Oul' Stuff compilation grow from.

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