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The Hunt for Red Roses - obsessive Pogues buying

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Post Thu Nov 13, 2008 9:10 pm

philipchevron wrote:[M]y first duty was to fact-check, I suppose, a test the book passes extremely well with just one minor error (The Pogues' first two albums were not, in fact, available only on import in the USA: delayed though the releases were, they did come out on Stiff/Enigma in the US (Red Roses) and MCA (Rum, Sodomy).

Given how difficult these were to find in the late 1980s in the USofA, they may as well have been considered "import only."

My first copies of RRFM and RSatL were imports, and the import-premium was paid for them. It took me YEARS to find a copy of Red Roses For Me from Enigma (which I DESPERATELY wanted at the time for the extra tracks and, somewhat less importantly, the silk-screened red rose on the CD face). In fact I had ended up going to all the local record shops in the South Bay Area (San Jose, Santa Cruz, and all the smaller towns in between and along the Peninsula) as placed requests with the record buyers, managers, and used-record assessors (they guys that would determine if a used CD or LP was worth buying off of someone) and then calling them every week to see if they had found a copy. After six months someone called me at work to say the Red Roses disc had come in, and was I still interested. I immediately told my employer that I had an emergency I had to deal with, drove to the record store, snapped up the disc, drove to Fry's Electronics (a superstore for computer nerds) and paid WAY too much for a CDR drive (this was around 1994 or so) and a few blank discs (when the media cost ~$10 per disc) and duplicated the original. The original has ever since then been safely tucked away and un-played.

And that's my story.
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Post Thu Nov 13, 2008 9:51 pm

DzM wrote:My first copies of RRFM and RSatL were imports, and the import-premium was paid for them. It took me YEARS to find a copy of Red Roses For Me from Enigma (which I DESPERATELY wanted at the time for the extra tracks and, somewhat less importantly, the silk-screened red rose on the CD face). In fact I had ended up going to all the local record shops in the South Bay Area (San Jose, Santa Cruz, and all the smaller towns in between and along the Peninsula) as placed requests with the record buyers, managers, and used-record assessors (they guys that would determine if a used CD or LP was worth buying off of someone) and then calling them every week to see if they had found a copy. After six months someone called me at work to say the Red Roses disc had come in, and was I still interested. I immediately told my employer that I had an emergency I had to deal with, drove to the record store, snapped up the disc, drove to Fry's Electronics (a superstore for computer nerds) and paid WAY too much for a CDR drive (this was around 1994 or so) and a few blank discs (when the media cost ~$10 per disc) and duplicated the original. The original has ever since then been safely tucked away and un-played.

And that's my story.


A story i shall share with my dear beloved, DzM, in order to show her that i'm not really THAT strange and obsessed. Or at least, not as strange and obsessed as i COULD be, if strangeness & obsession are graded on a curve scale.

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Post Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:10 am

Low D wrote:[I]'m not really THAT strange and obsessed. Or at least, not as strange and obsessed as i COULD be, if strangeness & obsession are graded on a curve scale.

I have scaled back on my obsessive Pogues buying by quite a bit. Gone, for the most part, are my days of pay >$80 for the "German Promotional Waxie's Dargle DJ Vinyl in Original Sleeve" or >$100 "If I Should Fall From Grace With God original Fillmore Tour Poster." Having a mortgage has caused me to strongly re-examine my spending habits. :)
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"But look! The cover art is two-inches larger between the 5" jewel case and the 7" vinyl 45! That's totally worth buying it again ... for the third time!"
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Post Fri Nov 14, 2008 7:49 am

DzM wrote:I have scaled back on my obsessive Pogues buying by quite a bit...


Oh, I recognise the issues here, DzM, all too well. I too would no longer go searching high and low (well, online and offline) for that elusive magic artefact that will satisfy for ever my longing for Pogues completeness.

But on the other hand, if I see some item lying pitifully unloved in some second-hand merchandising outlet somewhere, I just have to buy it, don't I? It would be mean not to give it a good home, wouldn't it?
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Post Fri Nov 14, 2008 7:52 pm

firehazard wrote:
DzM wrote:I have scaled back on my obsessive Pogues buying by quite a bit...


Oh, I recognise the issues here, DzM, all too well. I too would no longer go searching high and low (well, online and offline) for that elusive magic artefact that will satisfy for ever my longing for Pogues completeness.

But on the other hand, if I see some item lying pitifully unloved in some second-hand merchandising outlet somewhere, I just have to buy it, don't I? It would be mean not to give it a good home, wouldn't it?


Oh how I empathise! Over the past couple of years I have built up quite a little collection of Pogues cassette singles. I cannot, for the life of me explain why. I never, ever play cassettes.

This is completely rational however compared to the barmy things I have done (and sums I have spent) in pursuit of obscure sixties soul releases. :oops:
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soulfinger wrote:Over the past couple of years I have built up quite a little collection of Pogues cassette singles. I cannot, for the life of me explain why. I never, ever play cassettes.

I always drew the line at cassingles. For a period I would buy any CD or any Vinyl that had the Pogues in some way attached to it, but I was forever unwilling to touch cassingles.
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soulfinger wrote:Over the past couple of years I have built up quite a little collection of Pogues cassette singles. I cannot, for the life of me explain why. I never, ever play cassettes.

I always drew the line at cassingles. For a period I would buy any CD or any Vinyl that had the Pogues in some way attached to it, but I was forever unwilling to touch cassingles.


In one of his many, many spectacular misjudgements, Malcolm McClaren once apparently believed cassingles to be the future of music as he painted us a picture of a world of youngsters joyfully romping around, dressed uniformly like Bow-Wow-Wow and playing their handy cassingles, freed at last from the tyranny of vinyl.

Cassingles totally sucked. They were of inferior quality to the point of being unlistenable and the ones that did not, mercifully, disintegrate into piles of magnetic tape after a few plays, hung around, uncherished, unplayed and indestructible on our shelves to forever taunt us for our follies.
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Post Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:25 am

I've got the Rainy Night In Soho re-release on cassette and all The Beatles singles and the shittiest tape player so they never come out of the box

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Post Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:59 am

philipchevron wrote:Cassingles totally sucked. They were of inferior quality to the point of being unlistenable and the ones that did not, mercifully, disintegrate into piles of magnetic tape after a few plays, hung around, uncherished, unplayed and indestructible on our shelves to forever taunt us for our follies.


As far as I can remember, I never bought a cassingle. Used to stick to vinyl for 45s. But I did go through a misguided student phase of buying albums on cassette, which I now of course regret. The horror of hearing your current favourites being torn apart and jumbled into an unlistenable tangle still haunts me. The hours spent fruitlessly trying to straighten up and rewind the tape into the cassette (with the aid of a pencil, as I recall)...

I think the only Pogues album I bought thus was Waiting For Herb. Which may still survive, I believe.
The surviving cassette I do still treasure (though rarely dare to play in case it self-destructs after all these years) is the NME's Pogo a Go Go. Which is a brilliant compilation.
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firehazard wrote:But I did go through a misguided student phase of buying albums on cassette, which I now of course regret. The horror of hearing your current favourites being torn apart and jumbled into an unlistenable tangle still haunts me. The hours spent fruitlessly trying to straighten up and rewind the tape into the cassette (with the aid of a pencil, as I recall)...


Yes I remember those days (especially the pencil part) although I don't remember buying any of my current favorites on cassette. Living in a small town in South Dakota, I played The Cars (Eponymous), Harder Faster - April Wine, and Ted Nugent (all of them) until the printing wore off the cassettes. Then I moved to Rapid City, SD got involved in the college radio station and discovered the Pogues among others....
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philipchevron wrote:Cassingles totally sucked. They were of inferior quality to the point of being unlistenable and the ones that did not, mercifully, disintegrate into piles of magnetic tape after a few plays, hung around, uncherished, unplayed and indestructible on our shelves to forever taunt us for our follies.


No, no, no, no, no, no.........oh OK, you're right. I won't buy any more. :oops:
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firehazard wrote:The surviving cassette I do still treasure (though rarely dare to play in case it self-destructs after all these years) is the NME's Pogo a Go Go. Which is a brilliant compilation.


I have still have lots of the NME cassettes. I have digitised them now so don't have to actually play them any more. One day they'll be worth thousands and then we'll see if Philip has anything to say about sucking cassettess.....yes nurse, I'll need a double dose tonight.
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soulfinger wrote:This is completely rational however compared to the barmy things I have done (and sums I have spent) in pursuit of obscure sixties soul releases. :oops:


Did you acquire one of the two known copies of Frank Wilson's Do I Love You (Indeed I Do) on the Soul label?
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soulfinger wrote:I have still have lots of the NME cassettes. I have digitised them now so don't have to actually play them any more...


Inspired by this, I went on a search and found quite a few more of mine lurking in a drawer. There was some good stuff on some of those NME cassettes. Also located some of the free vinyls that used to occasionally be stuck to the front cover of the magazine. Digitising... now there's a thought. I should do that. I should get the equipment.
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Clash Cadillac wrote:
soulfinger wrote:This is completely rational however compared to the barmy things I have done (and sums I have spent) in pursuit of obscure sixties soul releases. :oops:


Did you acquire one of the two known copies of Frank Wilson's Do I Love You (Indeed I Do) on the Soul label?


Out of my league that - £15K for a single?? :shock: I do have it booted as by Eddie Foster from when it was first discovered by Russ Winstanley - princely sum of £1. I paid an embarassing amount for both Gonna be a Big Thing - Yum Yums and I'm Stepping out of the Picture - Johnny Maestro but I'm all grown up and don't do stuff like that any more. 8)
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