The Medusa Fora

Did you notice that on Hell's Ditch, Shane was slurring his words a lot more than before? It's still a great album but he sounds more soused or tired than before.

robertc wrote:Did you notice that on Hell's Ditch, Shane was slurring his words a lot more than before? It's still a great album but he sounds more soused or tired than before.

By the time The Pogues recorded Hell's Ditch it was rather clear that Shane didn't want to be in the band anymore and that he wasn't in the most positive stare of health. Shane's attendance during the recording of Hell's Ditch was sporadic. Also, by this time Shane's rather hedonistic lifestyle was severly damaging his performace abilities and his creative output.

Iain

You can see it on the 'Miss Otis..' video, that was recorded at that time that Shane was in bad shape.... just sitting there, missing the vocals....

Hennybhoy wrote:You can see it on the 'Miss Otis..' video, that was recorded at that time that Shane was in bad shape.... just sitting there, missing the vocals....

Not sure about this one. He is, after all, miming to Steve Lillywhite's painstaking recording in Neil Jordan's film. Shane never took miming very seriously.

philipchevron wrote:Shane never took miming very seriously.

I´ve seen that on some Top of the Pop performance of Fairytale. I think he was chewing gum while "singing"

Shaneo's voice proigressed in toime.. oif ye ask me, oim most fond of hes sharp, loose & raw voice expressed woithoin' Crock & Snake; but then again oim sure thois opoinion of moine and for some reason woill be in outstandoin' moinoiroity; twas' always hard for me to explain to other people that theres ultoimate beauty exactly in that raw and not clear boirdy soingoin' because that ois Shaneo; for the lyroics Shaneo's wroitiong hes voice and expression is exactly roight..
there were threads where people were doissapointed woith thois koind of Shaneo's performance and oim always against these voiews; clear voicals seekers.. oi mean, come on.. Shaneo has built-in emotions both in lyroics & voice and thats for huge respect only! whoile other soingers soing loike in some bloody musoic school, Shaneo's genuine rebel's raw emotion voice beats em' all Burnoin' Arrrgh! Oi loike it so coirely that oi push it even harder in me own performance

IrishRover wrote:Shaneo's voice proigressed in toime.. oif ye ask me, oim most fond of hes sharp, loose & raw voice expressed woithoin' Crock & Snake; but then again oim sure thois opoinion of moine and for some reason woill be in outstandoin' moinoiroity; twas' always hard for me to explain to other people that theres ultoimate beauty exactly in that raw and not clear boirdy soingoin' because that ois Shaneo; for the lyroics Shaneo's wroitiong hes voice and expression is exactly roight..
there were threads where people were doissapointed woith thois koind of Shaneo's performance and oim always against these voiews; clear voicals seekers.. oi mean, come on.. Shaneo has built-in emotions both in lyroics & voice and thats for huge respect only! whoile other soingers soing loike in some bloody musoic school, Shaneo's genuine rebel's raw emotion voice beats em' all Burnoin' Arrrgh! Oi loike it so coirely that oi push it even harder in me own performance

That's exactly what I would have said. If I wanted to make sure nobody understood a word I said, that is.

mats wrote:

philipchevron wrote:Shane never took miming very seriously.

I´ve seen that on some Top of the Pop performance of Fairytale. I think he was chewing gum while "singing"

Twas the same with an appearance on "Gottschalk Late Night" on German television in the early nineties. They were performing "Sayonara", and Shane missed all "som-yat-zu"s.

It was quite funny seeing eight people crammed onto a tiny little stage. Plus at the end of the song one of Andrew´s cymbals decided to fall off the drumkit, and for whatever reasons Mr T. Woods nearly died with laughter about that.

I remember the audience being quite polite but not too impressed. After the appearance Thomas Gottschalk bade them farewell saying "the singer is also known for being the Irish David Hasselhof" ...

When Shane & Nick Cave did 'Later with Jools Holland', after singing What A Wunnerful World, they both did one of each others tunes, NC did Rainy Night and Shane attempted Lucy - which was out of his range. I recall NC getting rather upset and taking over mid-tune

IrishRover wrote:Shaneo's voice proigressed in toime.. oif ye ask me, oim most fond of hes sharp, loose & raw voice expressed woithoin' Crock & Snake; but then again oim sure thois opoinion of moine and for some reason woill be in outstandoin' moinoiroity; twas' always hard for me to explain to other people that theres ultoimate beauty exactly in that raw and not clear boirdy soingoin' because that ois Shaneo; for the lyroics Shaneo's wroitiong hes voice and expression is exactly roight..
there were threads where people were doissapointed woith thois koind of Shaneo's performance and oim always against these voiews; clear voicals seekers.. oi mean, come on.. Shaneo has built-in emotions both in lyroics & voice and thats for huge respect only! whoile other soingers soing loike in some bloody musoic school, Shaneo's genuine rebel's raw emotion voice beats em' all Burnoin' Arrrgh! Oi loike it so coirely that oi push it even harder in me own performance

http://pogues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7451

mats wrote:

philipchevron wrote:Shane never took miming very seriously.

I´ve seen that on some Top of the Pop performance of Fairytale. I think he was chewing gum while "singing"

The miming in the Fiesta video was classic as well. Though one can hardly notice, given the grand arm gestures.

so can anyone confirm whether or not its being re-released? I for one would buy many a copy!

Interesting subject... much as I lov Mr. Mac, His voice seems to get progressivily worse with each release. Crock of gold he sounds bad at times, the songs he did with Lancaster County Prison he Sounds Terrible, That song tomorrow belongs to be was pretty bad as well... though those aren't official releases, he just doesn't sound like he cares that much about what he's singing on those tracks. (they do have a certain charm) but to a non Shane fan, I doubt those songs would help convert anyone.


scott

I actually thought his voice sounded better on The Snake, which was released three years after Hell's Ditch.

Simon Maguire wrote:I actually thought his voice sounded better on The Snake, whiched was released three years after Hell's Ditch.

True, however, you can tell the cracks were already starting to appear on Peace and Love. This may be due to the fact that Steve Lillywhite mixed Shane's vocals way down, but compared to the first three albums, you can tell Shane is in a more rejuvenated state. He seems more focused and his writing is more prolific.

Iain