The Medusa Fora

Mr. Chevron, recently I went back and read some passages from Carol Clerk's new book about The Pogues. I was wondering why Blue Heaven and Lorelei were in danger of being cut from the original running format of Peace and Love. Was this due to fact that the songs didn't have that typical Pogues Irish sound to them. Lorelei is one the standout tracks on that album.

Iain

pogues24 wrote:Mr. Chevron, recently I went back and read some passages from Carol Clerk's new book about The Pogues. I was wondering why Blue Heaven and Lorelei were in danger of being cut from the original running format of Peace and Love. Was this due to fact that the songs didn't have that typical Pogues Irish sound to them. Lorelei is one the standout tracks on that album.
Iain

agree totaly.

pogues24 wrote:Mr. Chevron, recently I went back and read some passages from Carol Clerk's new book about The Pogues. I was wondering why Blue Heaven and Lorelei were in danger of being cut from the original running format of Peace and Love. Was this due to fact that the songs didn't have that typical Pogues Irish sound to them. Lorelei is one the standout tracks on that album.

Iain

Politics, dear boy, politics. These days we leave that to the morons who would destroy the world.

philipchevron wrote:
Politics, dear boy, politics. These days we leave that to the morons who would destroy the world.

Is this why you won´t release a new album ? Because those morons would be in charge when it comes to select the songs ?

In my opinion, the amazing thing about this album is that the three best
songs-Lorelei, Young Ned, and Misty Morning weren't written by the
Shane-the band's acknowledged songwriter.

Is there any group in Rock History who claim that five different members
(including Spider's Tuesday Morning) wrote major songs in a band's catalog?
Best I can think of offhand is the Beatles with all four contributing major
songs.

Mike from Boston wrote:In my opinion, the amazing thing about this album is that the three best
songs-Lorelei, Young Ned, and Misty Morning weren't written by the
Shane-the band's acknowledged songwriter.

Is there any group in Rock History who claim that five different members
(including Spider's Tuesday Morning) wrote major songs in a band's catalog?
Best I can think of offhand is the Beatles with all four contributing major
songs.

I think all members of Queen were quite prolific in songwriting. But of course they were only four, too ...

Mike from Boston wrote:Is there any group in Rock History who claim that five different members
(including Spider's Tuesday Morning) wrote major songs in a band's catalog?
Best I can think of offhand is the Beatles with all four contributing major
songs.

Again, it's a 4-person group, but The Clash fit that bill. Topper Headon wrote their biggest hit, Rock the Casbah, and Paul Simmonon wrote Guns of Brixton, and i think they each wrote one or two others as well.

Mike from Boston wrote:Is there any group in Rock History who claim that five different members
(including Spider's Tuesday Morning) wrote major songs in a band's catalog?
Best I can think of offhand is the Beatles with all four contributing major
songs.

Madness had 7, most (if not all) of them wrote most of their tunes.

Low D wrote:

Mike from Boston wrote:Is there any group in Rock History who claim that five different members
(including Spider's Tuesday Morning) wrote major songs in a band's catalog?
Best I can think of offhand is the Beatles with all four contributing major
songs.

Again, it's a 4-person group, but The Clash fit that bill. Topper Headon wrote their biggest hit, Rock the Casbah, and Paul Simmonon wrote Guns of Brixton, and i think they each wrote one or two others as well.

Interesting comments-I realized now that Queen's members had all
written hit songs. After 25+ years, never realized that Topper wrote
Rock the Casbah (I knew Paul had wrote Guns of Brixton).

Mike from Boston wrote:In my opinion, the amazing thing about this album is that the three best
songs-Lorelei, Young Ned, and Misty Morning weren't written by the
Shane-the band's acknowledged songwriter.

Is there any group in Rock History who claim that five different members
(including Spider's Tuesday Morning) wrote major songs in a band's catalog?
Best I can think of offhand is the Beatles with all four contributing major
songs.

Two of my favourite tracks are Night Train to Lorca and London You're A Lady, written by Jem and Shane, respectively. In my opinion, these are a couple of the most underrated of all Pogues songs, but it's all a matter of personal taste, I suppose.

I think there is a tendency when it comes to P&L to over-estimate the better tracks on it. It's all relative and the context has to be taken into account. Because " White city ", " Misty morning..." and " Young Ned.." are the three best tracks on it, that doesn't mean they are up there with the absolute very best of the Pogues at their and Shane's peak.They simply aren't. I love these tracks, have a soft spot for " Down all the days " and like " Gartloney rats " and " USA " but the standard of the first three albums / EP/ B-sides is simply untouchable.

dsweeney wrote:" White city ", " Misty morning..." and " Young Ned.." are the three best tracks on it, that doesn't mean they are up there with the absolute very best of the Pogues at their and Shane's peak.They simply aren't.

Is that a fact?

Fr. McGreer wrote:

dsweeney wrote:" White city ", " Misty morning..." and " Young Ned.." are the three best tracks on it, that doesn't mean they are up there with the absolute very best of the Pogues at their and Shane's peak.They simply aren't.

Is that a fact?

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The Duke of Ingmar wrote:
I think all members of Queen were quite prolific in songwriting. But of course they were only four, too ...

.....and they were all shite.

DzM wrote:

Fr. McGreer wrote:

dsweeney wrote:" White city ", " Misty morning..." and " Young Ned.." are the three best tracks on it, that doesn't mean they are up there with the absolute very best of the Pogues at their and Shane's peak.They simply aren't.

Is that a fact?

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Well, no, in as much as music is about " taste " and " personal preference " and therefore it can't be " a fact ". But it is a fact in the sense that the world and it's fuckin' mother knows they are the best tracks on it. The fact that two of them were chosen as singles suggests the fuckin' band thought so as well. I'm not saying they're the ONLY good tracks on it, simply that they are certainly the BEST tracks on it. END OF!!