Lyroics Before The Tunes

**Sun Oct 28, 2007 4:45 pm**

how are most Pogues songs actually made.. doid lyroics come foirst or was it the musoic tunes and lyroics after?
for example, oi remember Shaneo said somewhere that the whole song Body Of An Ameroican came out of the one oinitoial sentence "Every bastard there was poiskey"...

**Sun Oct 28, 2007 5:43 pm**

PLESASEEEEEEEE STOP WITH THE 'O'S AND 'I'S. iT HAS JUST STARTED BUGGING ME (ALSO I KNOW THE IRONY OF COMPLAINING IN CAPS, BUT I AM TRYING TO MAKE A POINT.

**Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:24 pm**

Sorry, Rover, but I found out it sort of bugs me too indeed. It looks to me like...pro-irish masturbation, if I can say it that way :-)

No offense meant, definitely though

**Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:28 am**

DownInTheGround wrote:PLESASEEEEEEEE STOP WITH THE 'O'S AND 'I'S. iT HAS JUST STARTED BUGGING ME (ALSO I KNOW THE IRONY OF COMPLAINING IN CAPS, BUT I AM TRYING TO MAKE A POINT.

It was along time ago it STARTED to Bugging everyone here, Please stop it NOW. :evil:

**Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:16 am**

Yea, but normally I can cope, this time it made me go mad.

**Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:51 am**

DownInTheGround wrote:Yea, but normally I can cope, this time it made me go mad.

its getting beyond a joke now

**Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:57 am**

Niall wrote:
DownInTheGround wrote:Yea, but normally I can cope, this time it made me go mad.

its getting beyond a joke now

Agree, it´s just so Fu**ing stupid, i don´t ewen know what to say, so prob. i should just give up :roll:

**Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:35 pm**

The OIRA topic so the one that pissed me off.

**Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:25 pm**

I like Oirish, and its an intresting question.

**Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:46 pm**

Simon Maguire wrote:The OIRA topic so the one that pissed me off.

Agreed. Not something to take the piss out of in my opinion..............so don't.

**Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:49 pm**

What a leap one can make in 24 hours...

DownInTheGround wrote:PLESASEEEEEEEE STOP WITH THE 'O'S AND 'I'S. iT HAS JUST STARTED BUGGING ME (ALSO I KNOW THE IRONY OF COMPLAINING IN CAPS, BUT I AM TRYING TO MAKE A POINT.

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:43 pm

DownInTheGround wrote:Yea, but normally I can cope, this time it made me go mad.

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:16 am

DownInTheGround wrote:I like Oirish, and its an intresting question.

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:25 pm

**Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:09 pm**

I felt guilty, and it is an intresting question. Still pisses me off that i can't decode his pissing messages. You have nothing better to do than correct my hypocrisy? :shock:

**Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:43 pm**

DownInTheGround wrote:I felt guilty, and it is an intresting question. Still pisses me off that i can't decode his pissing messages. You have nothing better to do than correct my hypocrisy?

We all have hobbies.

And yeah - it is an interesting question.

I have a vague recollection of someone (Philip? Jem?) saying that each writer would noodle around and then bring something to the group and rough it out on a guitar (or piano, or even humming a tune). From there more group noodling would happen to further define things.

I think it' fair to say that each writer probably has their own style though. I'm sure some start with a lyric and then add a tune, others start with a tune and then create lyrics, and I'm positive that even for a single writer this process changes as the muses dictate.

I also recall from somewhere that Jem was often the "tune guy" and Shane was often the "words guy," and the two would collaborate with each other during the early creative process to produce the first demo of the song.

All of this is half-remembered things that I vaguely think someone(s) from the band once said, though, and have no idea how correct it is. The real right answer probably boils down to:

"Depends."

**Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:56 pm**

IrishRover wrote:how are most Pogues songs actually made.. doid lyroics come foirst or was it the musoic tunes and lyroics after?
for example, oi remember Shaneo said somewhere that the whole song Body Of An Ameroican came out of the one oinitoial sentence "Every bastard there was poiskey"...

The Broadway geniuses Rodgers and Hammerstein were asked "Which comes first, the words or the music?" and they answered "The cheque!"

This story is entirely apocryphal and has been told about every professional songwriting team in history. More accurately, hearing "Some Enchanted Evening" played in the background by a hotel danceband, Mrs Rodgers said "My husband wrote that". "Nah", said Mrs Hammerstein, "my husband wrote Some Enchanted Evening. What your husband wrote was Ya-da-ya-da-ya-da."

But, as DZM says, in answer to your question, it varies, it depends. I personally find it easiest to begin with a title (or a working title) and a rough overall concept which I sometimes sketch out with dummy lyrics. But then I concentrate on the tune, because the music itself can suggest lyrics or throw up more ideas. Only then do I attempt the final lyrics. The 7 songs I wrote for the Radiators Trouble Pilgrim album took a couple of years to develop but, in many cases, the lyrics were written during the final week of recording. I needed to know what I was writing about, but not necessarily the exact content, until the last minute. I keep detailed notebooks of all my lyric ideas which I always consult before starting a lyric. When I say Detailed Notebooks, I do of course mean scraps of paper and suchlike.

Now, how is that new guitar working out, Oirish? Hope you haven't give up on us?

**Tue Oct 30, 2007 4:36 am**

DownInTheGround wrote:I like Oirish, and its an intresting question.

Agreed. Oirish can type however the bloody hell he wants

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