Different Mixes of If I Should Fall from Grace

[Michaelo]

Thanks for the info Philip. I have always wondered what the difference is between the album and 7" mixes of If I Should Fall... I've listened so many times but could never spot the difference.

[philipchevron]

Thanks for the info Philip. I have always wondered what the difference is between the album and 7" mixes of If I Should Fall... I've listened so many times but could never spot the difference.

Ah, but actually, that's the bit which remains confusing. Sometimes the bag or label incorrectly states the record as an "alt. mix" where in fact it is just the regular-rooster basic set "master" recording. We always felt that a combination of incompetence and a plain contrived "Stiff Records Nostalgia" was at work here and never bothered much about it. So where had the "alt. mix" gotten to? Oh, some French-only cassette release edition or something, what did it matter? Well, say that though you may, it has come to matter a great deal now that we are trying so hard to isloate mixes for the purposes of remastering the albums, finding the generallly-agreed rare mixes of tracks for the Box Set etc. The big queation then becomes - when a tape box states ALT. MIX.[alternative mix], is this information intended to convey ALT. MIX or "ALT. MIX" or indeed something else. Fer Instance? Fer Instance POSS. NEW MASTER MIX FOR ALBUM VERSION - CONSULT WITH BAND" or "+2 db. LEVEL - RADIO?"

[sectofone]

I have always wondered what the difference is between the album and 7" mixes of If I Should Fall... I've listened so many times but could never spot the difference.

If I understand properly, the "single mix" features additional vocals by Kirsty MacColl; but I have no idea exactly which formats /catalogue #'s/etc. this version (whether labeled correctly or not) truly appears on. I myself don't own any pressings which contain this remix, but I seem to recall the promotional video for this track included Kirsty miming her backing vocal performance; so I tend to think of this, perhaps inaccurately, as the single version regardless.

So where had the "alt. mix" gotten to? Oh, some French-only cassette release edition or something, what did it matter? Well, say that though you may, it has come to matter a great deal now that we are trying so hard to isloate mixes for the purposes of remastering the albums, finding the generallly-agreed rare mixes of tracks for the Box Set etc.

This makes me hopeful that perhaps this alternate mix may see the light o' day in a remastered form yet!!! Is it under consideration for inclusion in the box set at this point, or might it still be a long shot at best?

Regards,

Kevin.

[Michaelo]

Thanks once again Phillip.

I have always wondered what the difference is between the album and 7" mixes of If I Should Fall... I've listened so many times but could never spot the difference.

If I understand properly, the "single mix" features additional vocals by Kirsty MacColl; but I have no idea exactly which formats /catalogue #'s/etc. this version (whether labeled correctly or not) truly appears on. I myself don't own any pressings which contain this remix, but I seem to recall the promotional video for this track included Kirsty miming her backing vocal performance; so I tend to think of this, perhaps inaccurately, as the single version regardless.

Regards,

Kevin.

Kevin,
The CD single of If I Should Fall... had 2 tracks labelled as remixes: the 'remix' and the '7" remix'. The former, which was much longer than the album version, featured Kirsty MacColl, but the latter didn't. To further confuse matters, on the 7" single, which featured the latter track above, it is just referred to as 'remix', rather than '7" remix'.

[sectofone]

To further confuse matters, on the 7" single, which featured the latter track above, it is just referred to as 'remix', rather than '7" remix'.

Thanks for the clarification. That certainly explains my confusion on this matter then. It's been ages since I saw the video for this track, but I am still convinced that Kirsty was present in it (or perhaps it was only a version that was broadcast in North America??). It was an incredibly dull vid, if I remember correctly; with just the band members miming their performances against a white background -- Or am I just imagining this? As I mentioned before, I just assumed that if she was present in the promotional video for the track, then it would stand to reason that version was also featured on the single too. Like the things Phillip has described before, maybe it's just one other example of the many mysteries of the music business, I suppose. ... Sorry

[strummercalling]

I was wondering about the so-called "extended mix" of the song "If I Should Fall from Grace with God" (not the "honky tonk" version done for, I think, Straight to Hell). Why was this recorded? Was it ever released on a single, for example? (I actually really like this mix.)

And what I'm really curious about is, it sounds as if there is a woman background singer... Is this Kirsty?

[philipchevron]

I was wondering about the so-called "extended mix" of the song "If I Should Fall from Grace with God" (not the "honky tonk" version done for, I think, Straight to Hell). Why was this recorded? Was it ever released on a single, for example? (I actually really like this mix.)


And what I'm really curious about is, it sounds as if there is a woman background singer... Is this Kirsty?

The album version of the song was deemed to short to be a hit and Warners requested an extended version from Steve Lillywhite. It wasn't a hit. Next, "Fiesta" was deemed too LONG to be a single so a shorter version was commissioned from Lillywhite. Not a hit. Well, it got to #24 or something and then sank.

We prerecorded "Top Of The Tops" for "Fiesta" by the way, but we got bumped when the single did not move up from #24. I don't think anyone's ever seen that performance, even on TOTP 2.

Wonder what would have happened if Warners had listened to us and releaaed "The Broad Majestic Shannon" as a single instead, without adding to it or subtracting from it?

And yes, it's Kirsty.

[Rev]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SIE7MKCUF6w#

It says "early version" can someone from the band maybe shed a bit of light on when this was recorded or what the story is behind it?

[Grievous Angel]

That's the version from the "Straight to Hell" soundtrack, I believe.

[mr T]

Where are the versions of IISFFGWG?

Obviously the album version is on the album,
the 'honky tonk' version is on the Straight To Hell Returns soundtrack,
but what are the remix & 7" remix on (compilations etc.)

Cheers

Oh, 1 other question. There's a rough mix of London Girl on the 'Best Of & Rest Of' CD, I also read there's another rough mix on 'The Very Best Of' CD are these the same?

[philipchevron]

Where are the versions of IISFFGWG?

Obviously the album version is on the album,
the 'honky tonk' version is on the Straight To Hell Returns soundtrack,
but what are the remix & 7" remix on (compilations etc.)

Cheers

Oh, 1 other question. There's a rough mix of London Girl on the 'Best Of & Rest Of' CD, I also read there's another rough mix on 'The Very Best Of' CD are these the same?

The 12" remix of "Fall From Grace" never appeared on album. It will be on the new Box Set, however. No plans to reissue 7" remix, if it exists. A BBC recording (Janice Long Show, 1986) will also be on the Box Set.

I cannot even begin to address the "London Girl" problem again here. If anyone knows, please chip in.

[MacRua]

It was you who (as Neil L) asked about "London Girl/Lady" in another thread, right? Philip's answered and called it monitor, not rough mix BTW..

Guys! I have a favour to ask you once again:
1. Please, before starting a new thread, spend cupla minutes and check, maybe the same thread exists already, exciting discussion happens there for ages, your question has been asked before and what is more has been replied, thus you'll find all necessary info without typing a word. And will save time of those who is supposed to answer.

2. Please, take into consideration there are separate threads for almost every song from Pogues' catalogue (where lyrics, remixes, videos are discussed). Do not ask questions about London Girl in a thread for If I Should Fall..! In a week or two nobody will be able to find an answer as nobody will look for it in a thread, assigned for another song. Have a respect for fellow Medusians, those who have to answer same questions again and again, and for janitors who have to sort all that mess out!

Thanks!!

P.S. Mr. T try this thread, maybe it will satisfy your curiosity a bit

[Johan From Sweden]

It was you who (as Neil L) asked about "London Girl/Lady" in another thread, right? Philip's answered and called it monitor, not rough mix BTW..

Guys! I have a favour to ask you once again:
1. Please, before starting a new thread, spend cupla minutes and check, maybe the same thread exists already, exciting discussion happens there for ages, your question has been asked before and what is more has been replied, thus you'll find all necessary info without typing a word. And will save time of those who is supposed to answer.

2. Please, take into consideration there are separate threads for almost every song from Pogues' catalogue (where lyrics, remixes, videos are discussed). Do not ask questions about London Girl in a thread for If I Should Fall..! In a week or two nobody will be able to find an answer as nobody will look for it in a thread, assigned for another song. Have a respect for fellow Medusians, those who have to answer same questions again and again, and for janitors who have to sort all that mess out!

Thanks!!

P.S. Mr. T try this thread, maybe it will satisfy your curiosity a bit

Are you getting lazy MacRua, you know we all do this to keep you occupied

Keep up the good work, mate

[MacRua]

I am getting fat and old. And being busy with slagging medusians off, messing with merging and splitting I simply have no time to answer questions or <strike>take</strike> discuss such exciting subjects as drugs for example. It's not fair!
OK, back to If I Should Fall, guys.

[IrishRover]

Oi've foiund oit just noiw..
doidn't even knoiw that there ois such thoing as an Early version
of OIf OI Should Fall Froim Grace Woith God...
tois' soimewhat sloiwer and woith foiddle rockoin' oin foilk style!!!
lyroics are pretty much same, oine or two woirds doifferent

Theres no voideo, just sound:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIE7MKCUF6w