Who the hell is the second singer of "old" Pogues?

[Smoz]

What is the name of the drummer who played the drums before andrew? I think he was only a short time drummer for Pogue Mahone / the Pogues.

John "Stumpy" Pepys

One for the R.I.P. thread.

[_Mick_]

What is the name of the drummer who played the drums before andrew? I think he was only a short time drummer for Pogue Mahone / the Pogues.

John Hasler, the former Madness manager. He also co-managed The Nips for a while.

[Spike]

Jesus Christ are you fuckin' deaf ? IT IS the same singer on The recruiting sergeant, Young Ned of the hill and South Australia. It is Terry Woods, member of The Pogues. He also sings his own fuckin' song Streets of sorrow and Gartloney rats, Tombstones, Rainbow man, Every man is a king. Shane and Spider DO share the vocals on Down in the ground... and I never heard that Spider was supposed to be originally the lead singer. Never fuckin' heard that. He played tin whistle from even before the Pogues as far as I know and Shane played probably a very ropey guitar. End of.

No, it is actually true that Spider was supposed to be the lead singer. Mind you, so, briefly, was Cush, the Man They Still Can't Hang.

Don't you just love it when an arrogant know-it-all gets shot down in flames - again!!!

[dsweeney]

Why do you say " again "? When else was I shot down in flames ? Oh no, not another sycophant currying favour with Phil.
If , waaaaay back in the mists of time, Spider was meant to be lead singer then ABSOLUTELY I stand corrected. But to me that's a bit like arguing that Steve Jones was meant to be the singer before Johnny rotten- technically correct but completely irrelevent really. Shane was very quickly established as the lead singer and frontman, whether he wanted it that way or not. From the earliest incarnation this was how The Pogues were presented to the world anyway.


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Edited. Once again, dsweeney, place nicely or not at all. KThanx. -- DzM

[Kilmichael]

Why do you say " again "? When else was I shot down in flames ? Oh no, not another sycophant currying favour with Phil.
If , waaaaay back in the mists of time, Spider was meant to be lead singer then ABSOLUTELY I stand corrected. But to me that's a bit like arguing that Steve Jones was meant to be the singer before Johnny rotten- technically correct but completely irrelevent really. Shane was very quickly established as the lead singer and frontman, whether he wanted it that way or not. From the earliest incarnation this was how The Pogues were presented to the world anyway.


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Edited. Once again, dsweeney, place nicely or not at all. KThanx. -- DzM

Well, it isn't really a question of being shot down in flames, no, but then it's also nothing like arguing Steve Jones was meant to be the singer before Rotten. I wasn't arguing anything. What it actually is, is that over 3 years ago I answered a question somebody asked about who sang on 'Down in the ground' apart from Shane, and in doing so I happened to mention that, originally, Spider was going to be the lead singer. I wasn't trying to be clever about it, I wasn't trying to start an arguement with it (as you seem to insist on doing with every word that you type), I was simply mentioning it. And I don't think it's true that Spider played tin whistle before he joined the band either, but quite frankly I really don't care. Why you have to try and turn it into some debate how the Pogue 'were presented to the world' is beyond me. No doubt this will prompt some sweary reply, or accusation of sycophancy to one member of the band or another, but I'm big enough and ugly enough to take it.

[Spike]

Why do you say " again "? When else was I shot down in flames ? Oh no, not another sycophant currying favour with Phil.
If , waaaaay back in the mists of time, Spider was meant to be lead singer then ABSOLUTELY I stand corrected. But to me that's a bit like arguing that Steve Jones was meant to be the singer before Johnny rotten- technically correct but completely irrelevent really. Shane was very quickly established as the lead singer and frontman, whether he wanted it that way or not. From the earliest incarnation this was how The Pogues were presented to the world anyway.


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Edited. Once again, dsweeney, place nicely or not at all. KThanx. -- DzM

No, not another sycophant trying to curry favour with anyone -just someone who has noticed that you have been involved in a few lively debates on this forum & that your posts often come across as arrogant & quite aggressive so i find it amusing when you are proved wrong as you were on this occasion. I said " again " as i had only just read the topic that you had started " imagine if the problems with Stiff had never happened " & as you had been put right on a couple of points by Chevron in that thread i had to chuckle & make a little comment when it happened again in the very next thread that i read! You do make me laugh though Mr Sweeney so fair play to ya! Keep up the good work.

[dsweeney]

I, at least, have opinions of my own. Some people here will attack anything I say just to side with members of the band or whatever. So, yes, I will keep up the good work, don't worry. As usual, everybody else can jump in and attack me yet I'm the only one who gets edited. Must be doin' something right so.

[Low D]

I, at least, have opinions of my own. Some people here will attack anything I say just to side with members of the band or whatever. So, yes, I will keep up the good work, don't worry. As usual, everybody else can jump in and attack me yet I'm the only one who gets edited. Must be doin' something right so.

Not necessarily. You see, the issue of lead singer isn't really one of "opinion", is it? More of a fact question.

In fact, Spider WAS the lead singer, until a pub manger said they could play again only if Spider did NOT sing (or talk, if i remember correctly). So he was given a whistle. This is recorded in a couple of interviews and/or books, none of which i have in front of me, but i'm sure others can cite 'em. That said, there is always a possibility that i am wrong, so i won't back up my "opinion" with a crazy attitude and/or persecution complex. And, at the risk of starting something again, i might suggest that this is where you run into problems.

[cagliostro]

Oh no, not another sycophant currying favour with Phil.

Mmmmmmm.....curry.


I'm sorry...where am I again?

[dsweeney]

I, at least, have opinions of my own. Some people here will attack anything I say just to side with members of the band or whatever. So, yes, I will keep up the good work, don't worry. As usual, everybody else can jump in and attack me yet I'm the only one who gets edited. Must be doin' something right so.

Not necessarily. You see, the issue of lead singer isn't really one of "opinion", is it? More of a fact question.

In fact, Spider WAS the lead singer, until a pub manger said they could play again only if Spider did NOT sing (or talk, if i remember correctly). So he was given a whistle. This is recorded in a couple of interviews and/or books, none of which i have in front of me, but i'm sure others can cite 'em. That said, there is always a possibility that i am wrong, so i won't back up my "opinion" with a crazy attitude and/or persecution complex. And, at the risk of starting something again, i might suggest that this is where you run into problems.

I'm going to split hairs here Low D and say that the incident you refer to may well have happened. But were they even called The Pogues when it happened ? Were they even Pogue Mahone when it happened ?
The reason I find it difficult to believe is that by this time Shane had ALREADY had a fair degree of success as singer with The Nips, so why form a band with someone else as singer ? Spider would have been considered conventionally " better looking " I suppose.
As for "running into problems" I thought that was what a good " forum " was all about. Not some poxy " love-in " where nobody has anything of interest to say about anything other than " I think you are all wonderful and everybody is great and ....."

[RICHB]

I, at least, have opinions of my own. Some people here will attack anything I say just to side with members of the band or whatever. So, yes, I will keep up the good work, don't worry. As usual, everybody else can jump in and attack me yet I'm the only one who gets edited. Must be doin' something right so.

Not necessarily. You see, the issue of lead singer isn't really one of "opinion", is it? More of a fact question.

In fact, Spider WAS the lead singer, until a pub manger said they could play again only if Spider did NOT sing (or talk, if i remember correctly). So he was given a whistle. This is recorded in a couple of interviews and/or books, none of which i have in front of me, but i'm sure others can cite 'em. That said, there is always a possibility that i am wrong, so i won't back up my "opinion" with a crazy attitude and/or persecution complex. And, at the risk of starting something again, i might suggest that this is where you run into problems.

I'm going to split hairs here Low D and say that the incident you refer to may well have happened. But were they even called The Pogues when it happened ? Were they even Pogue Mahone when it happened ?
The reason I find it difficult to believe is that by this time Shane had ALREADY had a fair degree of success as singer with The Nips, so why form a band with someone else as singer ? Spider would have been considered conventionally " better looking " I suppose.
As for "running into problems" I thought that was what a good " forum " was all about. Not some poxy " love-in " where nobody has anything of interest to say about anything other than " I think you are all wonderful and everybody is great and ....."

I seem to recall something about Shane not wanting to be lead singer and wanting to play guitar and concentrate and the writting etc etc however I could be wrong with this (notice the possibility of being wrong ). Peace and love man

[dsweeney]

Oh I'm well versed with the possibility of " being wrong " and have always said I'd rather know the truth of the matter than " be right ". What I won't stand for is being lambasted when I actually AM right on something, even if it flies in the face of what the Site Police on here think ( smiley face here, cos' I don't know how to do one ).
Maybe they were The New Republicans when the incident Low D mentions happened ? If so, I would argue that this is too far back to say Spider was meant to be the singer in The Pogues. But like I said, I am splitting hairs, they were the seeds of what we would come to know and love as The Pogues, so fair enough. What you said about Shane wanting to concentrate on guitar and writing ? Maybe, but I remember it more as Shane wanting to GIVE UP playing guitar to concentrate ( at least LIVE ) on the singing and that heralded the " second coming " of my nemesis Phil Chevron in the band.

[philipchevron]

Oh I'm well versed with the possibility of " being wrong " and have always said I'd rather know the truth of the matter than " be right ". What I won't stand for is being lambasted when I actually AM right on something, even if it flies in the face of what the Site Police on here think ( smiley face here, cos' I don't know how to do one ).
Maybe they were The New Republicans when the incident Low D mentions happened ? If so, I would argue that this is too far back to say Spider was meant to be the singer in The Pogues. But like I said, I am splitting hairs, they were the seeds of what we would come to know and love as The Pogues, so fair enough. What you said about Shane wanting to concentrate on guitar and writing ? Maybe, but I remember it more as Shane wanting to GIVE UP playing guitar to concentrate ( at least LIVE ) on the singing and that heralded the " second coming " of my nemesis Phil Chevron in the band.

If you have a "nemesis", honey, it sure as hell ain't me.

[dsweeney]

Just joking Phil.

[kmurray105]

I thought it was a well known and established fact that the reason Spider was even there was because Shane invited him in to be the leader singer of the band as it was forming. Likewise I thought it was well known that he never actually took on the responsibility because he was sick or something for their first booked gig and Shane had to do it anyway. I believe this is documented in both biographies and elsewhere. When they arrived at the Pogues name seems irrelevant; the concept of the band was at least somewhat formed at the outset while the name came later.