How Come & The Pogues musical direction

[lavabe]

seems to me some of you like to understand dsweeney wrong....it´s sad and stupid....find you another hobby!

[lavabe]

why did a band that didn´t played with the irish folk tradition gave itself an gaelic name "pog mo thoin"?

[RICHB]

why did a band that didn´t played with the irish folk tradition gave itself an gaelic name "pog mo thoin"?

They did and do play irish folk?? I think u need to read over the posts. The point is that there are other influences. Nobody said that they were some sort of electric band or whatever.

[James]

Fuck this.

[kmurray105]

the question that has been haunting me for years now is, why did a band that did not use rocks as their instruments or really assoicate with rocks in any way call themselves the Rolling Stones? That's what keeps me awake at night

[lavabe]

why did a band that didn´t played with the irish folk tradition gave itself an gaelic name "pog mo thoin"?

They did and do play irish folk?? I think u need to read over the posts. The point is that there are other influences. Nobody said that they were some sort of electric band or whatever.

hmm as you had read over the posts yourself you would know that this wasn´t my first post here....i know there are other influneces - even dsweeney knows it i think - and i always said this. and no they aren´t a irish folk band but they played a lot of it and as i said several times before the trad. (irish) folk and punk were their MAIN influences at the beginning...

[lavabe]

in my opinion of course...and maybe 99% of the people who have a opinion about the pogues i suppose...surely influenced by the bad bad media...but anyway who cares.

[RICHB]

Mmmm maybe a member of the band could come on and confirm either way ha ha

[Doktor Avalanche]

Oim only speaking this woiy because I'm showing moi love for the punkest paddy oif them all - SHANEO!

-wait, wrong thread

[dsweeney]

I personally don't give a toss whether The Pogues drank or not

Oh! OK, that's good to know.

( they did ! )

Oh, I see....you don't give a toss that The Pogues drank but you feel obliged to point out they did.

Don't stop though; you're really funny. Even if it's unintentional.

Do you have a Never Knowingly Wrong T Shirt? I can send you one if you like.

I bet you can ! I bet you've got loads of them.
Exactly how am I " wrong " ? Am I wrong in your opinion simply because I disagree with Phil Chevron ? At least Lavabe has a mind of their own, fair play to them.
I merely pointed out that The Pogues DID drink because some of them take offence at the " drunken Paddy " label put on them by the media. The Pogues CELEBRATED drink and drinking. They can't get all offended AFTER the fact and blame the journalists if " they got us all wrong ".
I would also point out that the title of The Pogues debut album, " Red roses for me ", is taken from the play by Sean O'Casey, the Irish playwrite. There is no jazz on it. There is no Spanish music. THere is no soul or rock music on it. There is brilliant Irish traditional and folk music on it. Where am I wrong soulfinger ? You creepy crawling sycophant you.Stop embarrassing yourselves trying to square a circle. Phil was simply WRONG to say The Pogues were ALWAYS eclectic and diverse, they weren't. The played glorious Irish traditional folk tunes and Shane's brilliant originals in the folk style. Period.NoW POG MO FUCKIN' THOIN.

[soulfinger]

Where am I wrong soulfinger ? You creepy crawling sycophant you.Stop embarrassing yourselves trying to square a circle. Phil was simply WRONG to say The Pogues were ALWAYS eclectic and diverse, they weren't. The played glorious Irish traditional folk tunes and Shane's brilliant originals in the folk style. Period.NoW POG MO FUCKIN' THOIN.

And in real life...does simply restating your point of view repeatedly work for you. Do you never have a moment of self doubt where you think..."the other guy might have a point" or do you just keep going until they give in. Do the diversions into abuse not garner the occasional smack in the teeth in the real world?

I'm not saying you're right or wrong. I don't actually think it's that important. I think my comments in this thread have been comments on the way you have conducted your argument.

I grew up in a house where traditional Irish music was the norm. I rebelled against that (like you are supposed to) and from 1969 to the mid 80's I listened to Soul with occasional diversions into punk and ska. I then heard the Pogues. It was very different. I liked it. I bought their records and went to see them live at the first opportunity. I loved the ruck and maul. I loved the singing along. I liked the drinking. I have seen the Pogues live many, many times since. My good lady wife and I had our first date at a Pogues gig at the Carousel in Manchester. My eldest has been hawked enthusiastically around the UK for the past six years seeing The Pogues since he became big enough. He's now seen them 15 times. I feel I have done my job as a parent.

I like this website. I am grateful to DzM, Zuzanna & MaCrua for making it be so. I have greatly appreciated, over the past 5 years, the interactive involvement of Spider, James and especially Philip on the site. I've met thirty or so fellow medusans. I like them in real life as well as on the internet. Pogues concerts are an incomparable experience. Thanks to Philip I have met the members of the band. I love The Pogues. I'm a fan.

If you want to have some kind of endless cycle of restating your point until people give in to your shouting, feel free. You won't convince me. Your argument is irrelevant to me. Your rudeness is unpleasant. Your disrespectful approach to Philip is foul. Just because he doesn't agree with you doesn't mean you need to be abrasive and abusive. You call me a creepy, crawling sycophant.....simply for not agreeing with you. You don't know me, you don't know what I think...except that I think your style is funny and unconvincing, yet your default setting is to abuse.

Being right isn't actually that important to most people. Why must it be so for you?

[dsweeney]

Firstly, YOU were abusive to ME ! See your post further up.If you don't like being abused then don't dish it out !
The reason I restate my position is because people like you constantly change the argument and accuse me of all sorts of things.
If you don't care, why are you wasting yours and my time ?
This is a forum. People exchange opinions. If you want to bore people with your life story I suggest you go on Facebook or Twitter.
I couldn't care less how many times you've seen the band or how many Pogues you've met- it bears no relation whatsoever to the argument.
The reason you pretend not to care whether I'm right or wrong is because you know that, in fact, I AM right and as a lifelong fan of the band you KNOW I am.

[Fr. McGreer]

I've tried to contribute to this thread when it started out and i agreed with Sweeney's views. Then i got caught up in the debate on the technicalities of 'Trad' and 'Public Domain' and argued against his use of the word trad. I have since stayed out of the the pages and pages of bickering and name calling.

However, if i had only read Sweeney's post (2 above), i would have to say he IS EXACTLY CORRECT. I would say that his initial points were being lost in all the too-ing and fro-ing and one-upmanship.

One point though Sweeney, to say "Philip was simply WRONG to say The Pogues were ALWAYS eclectic and diverse..." maybe misunderstanding Philip. Perhaps he means The Pogues were diverse and eclectic in the early days in their own tastes, at the small gigs in pubs or the rehersal room, but Sweeney is CORRECT, the music they put out on record for everyone ELSE to listen to was of ONE genre that was then labelled by the music press as some kind of Irish folk-punk hybrid that appealed to all us Irish kids who grew up in England (and thousands of others) who were sick of listening to their parents Bredan Shine records. The Pogues made Irish music that alienated our parents and because of that we loved it and we played it as loud as we could.
EDIT
As i was typing, Soulfinger re-posted. He is also CORRECT in all he says.
NOW LADS, LET'S JUST HAVE PINT AND FORGET IT

[soulfinger]

OK. Be right. You know you're right. You've told me I know you are right. Ipso facto you are right. Well done. Enjoy. Do a lap of honour. Cheerio.

[dsweeney]

"Good night and joy be with you all".