Borrowed Music

**Thu Apr 27, 2006 4:47 pm**

Haunted, Shane's duet with Sinaed O'Connor off of the Snake (I believe the Pogues recorded it in '86), sounds a lot like Baba O'Riley by The Who. The guitar riff does anyway.

**Mon May 01, 2006 12:31 pm**

At places (especially in the very beginning), the melody of Pachinko strongly resembles that of In Dulci Jubilo, a medieval German tune arranged by Mike Oldfield into a modern up-tempo version. Anybody else noticed that?

Excerpts of In Dulci Jubilo can be listened to here and here.

**Mon May 01, 2006 6:02 pm**

Zuzana wrote:At places (especially in the very beginning), the melody of Pachinko strongly resembles that of In Dulci Jubilo, a medieval German tune arranged by Mike Oldfield into a modern up-tempo version. Anybody else noticed that?

Excerpts of In Dulci Jubilo can be listened to here and here.

Maybe a little.

**Mon May 01, 2006 11:28 pm**

Zuzana wrote:At places (especially in the very beginning), the melody of Pachinko strongly resembles that of In Dulci Jubilo, a medieval German tune arranged by Mike Oldfield into a modern up-tempo version. Anybody else noticed that?

Excerpts of In Dulci Jubilo can be listened to here and here.

It hadn't occured to me before but, now you mention it, yes I agree.
I've always thought the accordion part on Sick Bed sounded strangely familiar ever since the first time I heard it. I think it is similar to something I used hear on TV as a child- maybe from Captain Pugwash, Blue Peter or some other kids TV show.

**Sat Aug 19, 2006 4:47 am**

Sober wrote:After having read all your posts, I am not sure if I find Shane/The Pogues that original anymore.

actually, I think it goes hand-in-hand with their origionality. what MacGowan and the Pogues did that was so groundbreaking was to incoroporate fast-pace rock tempos and basslines into traditional Irish folk music and fire it up so that it appealed to both young punk fans and fans of traditional music, while mixing in Shane's brilliant lyrics to create original songs (and I think those lyrics and the songs he created are what makes the Pogues a truly great band, as opposed to contemporary Irish trad/punk fusions like the Dropkick Murphys (not to knock the Murphys - they play great music)). Since the infusion of traditional Irish is the very foundation of the band's origionality, it makes sense that they would draw on the folk tradition - which is based around the passing down and borrowing of songs, tunes, themes, ect. Incorporating traditional tunes and motifs into origional songs does not somehow detract from them or make them less credible or origional. On the contrary it establishes their credibility within the folk tradition (keeping the older stuff alive while going new places with it) and, since they were the first to do this, it is a mark of their origionality.

a note on the Kesh Jig (the riff in Sea Shanty and Paddy Public Enemy #1 (also used in Flogging Molly's "Salty Dog")): it's one of the best-known traditional tunes. most notably, it is the first tune in the opening set on the seminal 1975 debut album by the Bothy Band (in my opinion, the single greatest Irish traditional ensemble of all time.) The Kesh jig is also strikingly similar, in its first section, to another well known tune, The Primrose Vale (I have it on the album "Fierce Traditional" by fiddler Frankie Gavin.)

**Sun Sep 10, 2006 7:53 pm**

The "White City" thread sparked my mind to thinking on this subject, but what Pogues songs take reference from other tunes, whether they be traditional or by some other contemporary artist? I'll start:

White City - The Curragh of Kildare

**Sun Sep 10, 2006 11:37 pm**

AllBusiness, you'll find all kinds of curiosities if you go through this thread from the beginning :wink:

**Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:44 am**

Rock n Roll Paddys' accordian solo is almost note for note to Chuck Berrys' "The Promised Land"

**Mon Sep 11, 2006 9:15 am**

seamus_mcshanty1 wrote:
Fyllo wrote:The Body of An American, the middle intrumental part. It is alot like the melody in the ska classic "Guns Of Navarone" with for example The Skatalites.

I read the above on the F.O.S. forum.
kinda not really

The live version instrumental is the guns of naverone. The recorded version is a horn instrumental. The live version is ten times better and a pleasant suprise when you already love the guns of naverone riff!

**Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:30 pm**

Yeah, you can totally hear it here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOutVsCM0Hc

**Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:02 pm**

speed up the lines from Cash's 'Ring of Fire' that go "Love, it's a burning thing / and it makes a fiery ring." It sounds a lot like the musical refrain at the end of every line in 'If I Should Fall From Grace With God.'

| A D A | A E A |

I don't think this is intentional, though.

**Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:36 pm**

Achilleus1022 wrote:

I don't think this is intentional, though.

You don't, huh? Ok, it's not then. :wink:

**Sun Sep 24, 2006 1:29 pm**

Does anyone else think the tune for Broad Majestic Shannon is very similar to FoNY?

**Sun Sep 24, 2006 2:59 pm**

Dropofpoison wrote:Does anyone else think the tune for Broad Majestic Shannon is very similar to FoNY?

At least Shane himself.

Shane MacGowan: "We decided that we wanted to do a male-female duet, a Christmas song. And I was told to go and write one. All I had was a little riff from Jem [Finer, the Pogues’ banjo player], right, which was ripped off from my own song The Broad Majestic Shannon anyway. And it just came in a blinding flash of inspiration. "

**Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:09 pm**

Hi there !

While I was surfing on YouTube, I found this song from Paddy Reilly.

It sounds exactly as Body of An American.
Have you ever heard it ?

Antoine

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