The Medusa Fora

philipchevron wrote:

satanicsurferz wrote:

philipchevron wrote:

rumsodomyandthelash wrote:Cheers Mr C
Any new songs to be played live in usa ? love to hear you do Limerick Rake live.
Asking alot as usual

We only have 2 days to rehearse in DC next week, so my guess is No.

Mr Chevron, are the four NYC shows going to have a slightly different set list?

Yes indeed. They will all have different dates at the top.

haha... I figure I will have to wait and see by myself

i saw atlantic city and march 18th. shows are fucking incredible. you know the company - yeats, heaney, muldoon, and the pogues

At the beginning of the 90's I bought a book called "The Poetry Of Shane MacGowan" (or something like that...) and the NW3-Lyrics were already included there. They were the only lyrics in this book without a song on any of the records.
Took me some years to solve the mystery but it also shows me that the matter must have been quite far in progress if they printed it in a book...

There's a verse to this song not written in the lyrics above. It begins:

I was filled with love and rage
...
Never did nobody wrong
Never earned a decent wage

What's the rest of it?

I was filled with love and rage
i'm going home again
Never did nobody wrong
Never earned a decent wage
thanks for sweet f*ck all
wish me luck at the north wall
say goodbye to all the dead
tell them i'vhad ball

i think?

TELL THEM I'VE HAD A BALL

Finally, thanks for filling in the blanks!

Hello, there is a record made in 1991 (12") by STRAIGHT FROM HELL PRODUCTIONS first published in 1990 with the following songs:

side one:

nw3
miss otis regrets/just one of these things
bastard landlord
london calling (joe strummer)
i fought the law ( """"")
turkish song of the damned ("""")

side two

the good,the bad and the ugly
rake at the gates of hell
danny boy
haunted
hot dogs with everything
limerick rake
whiskey you´re the devil

the name of the vinyl is STRAIGHT FROM HELL
BY RAISIN DABRECORDS NGD 315421

THE SOUNDS IS NOT VERY GOOD

Does anybody (with better ears than me) have a transcription of the 4th verse of NW3? It isn't on the shanemacgowan.com site.

Great lyrics, far from the banality of Mother Mó Chrói.

Too bad it was never recorded properly.

The sheer banality of Mother Mo' Chroi, what a overly ridiculous statement to make. Mother Mo Chroi was a quite a standout track on Crock of Gold, and one of Shane's many shining moments with The Popes.'

Iain

pogues24 wrote:

Great lyrics, far from the banality of Mother Mó Chrói.

Too bad it was never recorded properly.

The sheer banality of Mother Mo' Chroi, what a overly ridiculous statement to make. Mother Mo Chroi was a quite a standout track on Crock of Gold, and one of Shane's many shining moments with The Popes.'

Iain

Agreed, but I, too, prefer the lyrics to NW 3. There´s a kind of "brutal honesty" to them which I really like.

What a beautiful treasure NW3 turns out to be. Just one of many insights on the boxed set into unreleased stuff which later surfaced on MacGowan solo albums.

NW3 is surely the better song though. Wonder whether there was some reason Shane never just did the whole song again.

Turns out Donegal Express had been around for a while too.

Interesting there's no mention of this in the sleeve notes. As if the solo career never happened.
Fair enough I suppose.

What a tremendous new collection though. So much to discover and enjoy.

Peasy wrote:What a beautiful treasure NW3 turns out to be. Just one of many insights on the boxed set into unreleased stuff which later surfaced on MacGowan solo albums.

NW3 is surely the better song though. Wonder whether there was some reason Shane never just did the whole song again.

Turns out Donegal Express had been around for a while too.

Interesting there's no mention of this in the sleeve notes. As if the solo career never happened.
Fair enough I suppose.

What a tremendous new collection though. So much to discover and enjoy.

Peasy, as the man who wrote the sleeve notes, I have to say I know as much, or as little, about Shane's post-Pogues career as I do about any other Pogue's, and I was not about to write speculative shit about music I've never even heard. No deliberate slight was intended. The tunes you mention are, as far as I'm concerned, Pogues songs.

Mr C. Oh god no. I've struck the wrong tone. The sleeve notes and the collection are wonderful.
Thank you. I was pleased that a song I already loved in a diminished form (Mother Mo Chroi) had a longer history and was knocking around in a much better unreleased version (NW3). I was hinting that there was perhaps MORE credit to be claimed for the band. That things which appeared as solo material later were actually fermented earlier. Suppose it's there without saying though. Cheers.

Peasy wrote:Mr C. Oh god no. I've struck the wrong tone. The sleeve notes and the collection are wonderful.
Thank you. I was pleased that a song I already loved in a diminished form (Mother Mo Chroi) had a longer history and was knocking around in a much better unreleased version (NW3). I was hinting that there was perhaps MORE credit to be claimed for the band. That things which appeared as solo material later were actually fermented earlier. Suppose it's there without saying though. Cheers.

Oh, I am genuinely glad that NW3, Aisling, Donegal Express (and Victoria?) had some sort of afterlife, but that afterlife didn't interest me greatly in the context of the Pogues Box Set anymore than the numerous covers of Rainy Night In Soho or Thousands Are Sailing do, (although I think I do mention that Christy Moore went on to "develop" Aisling, a reference to the fact he claims a co-composer credit on his version). I have no doubt the day will come when Shane Mac Gowan's work as a writer will be given an overall perspective from academics, but with the Box Set, we set out, above all, to illustrate that it was The Pogues who did this, not Shane, that it was The Pogues who created a body of work so spectacular that here are its rejects! Gratifyingly, most of the critical and listener response has picked up on that very point.