The Medusa Fora

For me it doesn’t matter. I’ll buy it. In my opion the Ultimative Collection is the best, but I’m addicted to the stuff. I need to own the CDs/LPs. It is not so easy to get the stuff here in Germany but I’ll order it from UK/ US/ Switzerland and so on.

Why is it that anybody who expresses a negative opinion about this release is accused of "whinging" and "whining"? I thought this forum was about discussion and debate? God forbid that we should express a mildly critical view of the band or, more accurately, their label...

Kilmichael wrote:Why is it that anybody who expresses a negative opinion about this release is accused of "whinging" and "whining"? I thought this forum was about discussion and debate? God forbid that we should express a mildly critical view of the band or, more accurately, their label...

Feel free to criticize whoever or whatever you like.

I just think that "moaning" about people who make stuff to sell for trying to sell it is a bit counterproductive.

I couldn't care less about the label.....but I would quite like Spider to be able to afford a new whistle if he needs one.

soulfinger wrote:

Kilmichael wrote:Why is it that anybody who expresses a negative opinion about this release is accused of "whinging" and "whining"? I thought this forum was about discussion and debate? God forbid that we should express a mildly critical view of the band or, more accurately, their label...

Feel free to criticize whoever or whatever you like.

I just think that "moaning" about people who make stuff to sell for trying to sell it is a bit counterproductive.

I couldn't care less about the label.....but I would quite like Spider to be able to afford a new whistle if he needs one.

Well I don't really know what the difference between "criticising" and "moaning" is, but I do know what the difference between people selling their product for a reasonable return and ripping people off is. I understand perfectly I have the choice whether to buy it or not, nobody is forcing me to. Like many people on this forum I have spent a small fortune on the Pogues down the years, including buying many albums 3 or 4 times in different formats. I'm not objecting to spending money again, in fact in my first post on this subject I said I'd happily buy the live album if it was released separately. I just object to having to buy 7 other albums I already have in multiple form in order to get it. I don't think that's whinging, whining or moaning, I think it's making a legitimate point in a fairly measured way. I'm just surprised at the fact that I and others who share that view have been criticised so much, including by one of the moderators, and don't think it's in the spirit of similar previous discussions on this forum. I'll say no more on the subject.

Kilmichael wrote:

soulfinger wrote:

Kilmichael wrote:Why is it that anybody who expresses a negative opinion about this release is accused of "whinging" and "whining"? I thought this forum was about discussion and debate? God forbid that we should express a mildly critical view of the band or, more accurately, their label...

Feel free to criticize whoever or whatever you like.

I just think that "moaning" about people who make stuff to sell for trying to sell it is a bit counterproductive.

I couldn't care less about the label.....but I would quite like Spider to be able to afford a new whistle if he needs one.

Well I don't really know what the difference between "criticising" and "moaning" is, but I do know what the difference between people selling their product for a reasonable return and ripping people off is. I understand perfectly I have the choice whether to buy it or not, nobody is forcing me to. Like many people on this forum I have spent a small fortune on the Pogues down the years, including buying many albums 3 or 4 times in different formats. I'm not objecting to spending money again, in fact in my first post on this subject I said I'd happily buy the live album if it was released separately. I just object to having to buy 7 other albums I already have in multiple form in order to get it. I don't think that's whinging, whining or moaning, I think it's making a legitimate point in a fairly measured way. I'm just surprised at the fact that I and others who share that view have been criticised so much, including by one of the moderators, and don't think it's in the spirit of similar previous discussions on this forum. I'll say no more on the subject.

This is it, word up.

This is getting a bit ridiculous. Why am I accused of whining and told to shut up just because I stated a clear opinion on this pathetic re-release bullshit?

Guest wrote:

Low D wrote:

deisecelt wrote:What a bunch of fucking sellouts. You can easily pick up one of the many greatest hits compilations in tesco for a fiver. Seems to me the pogues are are obviously trying to squeeze their sucker fans of a few bob for a last ditch pension top up. When I think back to the reunion concert in the point I never saw it goin this way. The Paris DVD would have been a perfect way to go. Fitting too. In my eyes its over after Phil passed.

Bleed em dry pogues, bleed em dry - Pog mo thoin!

To be fair, as has been stated, this is likely a decision made by The Brothers Warner, rather than the band itself (as are the decisions to constantly release different greatest hits compilations - although The Pogues did dictate the tracklisting on the last one, they had no say in whether or not there was going to BE one).

Bollocks. There's very few bands with so many compilations. They sold the lot. Sold every right to their music for easy money it seems. 10 compilation albums based largely on 3 out of 7 albums. Oh and if that doesn't convince ya, FONY - released ten times and counting. Nothing to do with the Pogues either I suppose. I hope warner and pogues loose big financially on this one then maybe that'll be it.

Well, the compilations, it should be mentioned, are not all in print at the same time. Why Warner has never settled on one track listing and keeps making new ones is a bit of a wonder, though.

As for FONY, several of the re-releases were variously benefits for Justice for Kirsty and Homeless charities. Although at the end of the day i'm sure the principles made money off them too. But as somebody else has said, i'm not against the members of the band making a living off their catalog. If there are enough new fans every 5 years to justify a new "best of" then fine. I'll not buy a re-issue of FONY or any of the best-ofs, 'cause i've already got it all, which is why this release is disappointing.

Another theory is the band hate eachother and couldn't give a monkeys what legacy their music has. They've gone from legends to auld lads drowning the market with cheap best ofs cds and more farewell tours than the eagles. Only 3 made it to Phil Chevrons testimonial and only half to his funeral. They hardly sound like close mates in a band. Id say there sick of each other.

36 quid on amazon.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00F ... d_i=468294

36 quid for only one "wanted" cd ! Looks like I'll have to nick it

Not sure if I read mr Fearnley's article correctly....Has the remixed RRFM been sensored?

Guest wrote:Another theory is the band hate eachother and couldn't give a monkeys what legacy their music has. They've gone from legends to auld lads drowning the market with cheap best ofs cds and more farewell tours than the eagles. Only 3 made it to Phil Chevrons testimonial and only half to his funeral. They hardly sound like close mates in a band. Id say there sick of each other.

Pretty sure not a single tour has been billed as a "farewell" tour. As for the rest, that's an awful lot of speculation about personal relationships of people I'm assuming you don't know. You working for NSA and listening in on the phone calls then, or what?

seanpat wrote:Not sure if I read mr Fearnley's article correctly....Has the remixed RRFM been sensored?

What is this RRFM?

LSMelo wrote:

seanpat wrote:Not sure if I read mr Fearnley's article correctly....Has the remixed RRFM been sensored?

What is this RRFM?

RED ROSES FOR ME..
Not a comp or a remaster but a remix.

"...new editions of Red Roses For Me and Peace and Love consisting of entirely remixed versions of both albums. They are exclusively available in a new box set, released October this year, called POGUES 30 which contains all our studio albums in facsimile editions plus a previously unreleased live album of the Pogues featuring Joe Strummer at the London Forum in December 1991.
...."

Sadly I can see both sides .
The Music Business is just that,a Business selling product. Some of the people selling it often got into the Music Business simple as it gave a better profit than selling guns.Low life capitalist scum that deserve to be lined up against the wall and shot.

I do hate releases that are just comps. of old music that can be found elsewhere with nothing new other the pakaging.
I could easly do a Complete Ultimate Collection Best Of The Essential Dirty Old Pogues that I would like much more the any track listing anyone else could come up with(as I am sure that any other fan could). But yet I have often bought copies of the same track in different fromats, eg tape,7" ,12",LP,Cd,coloured vinyl,VHS,DVD etc. A bar code on the label, or Irish/French /USA press of the same.etc Add a freebie like a poster or stickers etc .

In its favour this release does have previously unreleased live tracks and some one has reworked tracks by "remixing" them.It is not just comp.cd.
Can I afford to buy it? Will the live tracks be worth the listen. Will the remixes be a joy to hear? Only time will tell.

If only a few live tracks with Phil on vocals could be released as a 7" or 12" on vinyl to promote the release on cd.The Pogues back in the charts .With some of the money going to a cancer charity or to fund studio time for The Woods Band / AKA The Pogues 2013.

RoddyRuddy wrote: Some of the people selling it often got into the Music Business simple as it gave a better profit than selling guns.Low life capitalist scum that deserve to be lined up against the wall and shot.

Not to nitpick, but pretty much nothing is more lucrative than arms dealing, except possibly drugs. Although i fully support your conclusion.

RoddyRuddy wrote:
Complete Ultimate Collection Best Of The Essential Dirty Old Pogues

Actually that's the best title ever, well done!