"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ~Former CIA Director William Casey

And this unclassified document shows you exactly how they go about these things:
https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu//news/20010430/doc1.pdf

[quote="Mike from Boston"][quote="leadshoes"][quote="Frances"]There’s a video of future President Trump running down there to get on screen. His “great people” went into the wreckage to assist. Something like that. He was too busy getting camera time.

The first time I ever went to NYC was two months after 9/11. It was for a work conference, they recognized local staff who had evacuated their students in the tower(s) area that day. Very sobering.[/quote]

Ever since I read the story about the Oklahoma police officer Terrance Yeakey who rescued survivors during the Oklahoma bombing, I've wondered how many 9/11 rescuers were forced to keep quiet about something they saw.

http://www.riflewarrior.com/who_killed_terry_yeakey.html

And there's a short video story about him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyXMyDl0OlE[/quote]

You are right, I heard that alot of 9/11 rescuers wanted to talk, but they were shot and killed before they could spill the beans..[/quote]

That's weird, I thought they were shot and killed before they could spill the beans...

Anyway, what I said was that they were forced to keep quiet somehow, like with death threats or whatever, not that they were shot and killed.
And there have been a lot of suspicious deaths of 9/11 witnesses. It's easy to find them if you do a search.

[quote="leadshoes"][quote="Frances"]There’s a video of future President Trump running down there to get on screen. His “great people” went into the wreckage to assist. Something like that. He was too busy getting camera time.

The first time I ever went to NYC was two months after 9/11. It was for a work conference, they recognized local staff who had evacuated their students in the tower(s) area that day. Very sobering.[/quote]

Ever since I read the story about the Oklahoma police officer Terrance Yeakey who rescued survivors during the Oklahoma bombing, I've wondered how many 9/11 rescuers were forced to keep quiet about something they saw.

http://www.riflewarrior.com/who_killed_terry_yeakey.html

And there's a short video story about him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyXMyDl0OlE[/quote]

You are right, I heard that alot of 9/11 rescuers wanted to talk, but they were shot and killed before they could spill the beans..

These are so sad:

Pat Tillman's brother Kevin who fought alongside him in Iraq and Afghanistan wrote an anti-war piece that originally appeared in 2006:
After Pat's Birthday
https://www.truthdig.com/articles/after-pats-birthday-2/

A story with Pat Tillman's mother's thoughts on her son's death:
https://www.truthdig.com/articles/they-tried-to-attach-themselves-to-his-virtue-then-they-wiped-their-feet-with-him-mary-tillman/

Years After His Sacrifice, Ex-NFL Player’s Family Exposes Shocking Military Coverup
http://www.lifedaily.com/story/professional-football-player-gives-up-everything-to-protect-his-nation/

Tillman's Parents Are Critical Of Army
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/22/AR2005052200865.html

And this from http://www.nbcnews.com/id/19984732/ns/us_news-military/t/new-documents-shed-light-tillmans-death/#.XFzTh89Ki0c

"Army medical examiners were suspicious about the close proximity of the three bullet holes in Pat Tillman’s forehead and tried without success to get authorities to investigate whether the former NFL player’s death amounted to a crime, according to documents obtained by The Associated Press.

“The medical evidence did not match up with the, with the scenario as described,” a doctor who examined Tillman’s body after he was killed on the battlefield in Afghanistan in 2004 told investigators.

The doctors - whose names were blacked out - said that the bullet holes were so close together that it appeared the Army Ranger was cut down by an M-16 fired from a mere 10 yards or so away."

[quote="Frances"]There’s a video of future President Trump running down there to get on screen. His “great people” went into the wreckage to assist. Something like that. He was too busy getting camera time.

The first time I ever went to NYC was two months after 9/11. It was for a work conference, they recognized local staff who had evacuated their students in the tower(s) area that day. Very sobering.[/quote]

Ever since I read the story about the Oklahoma police officer Terrance Yeakey who rescued survivors during the Oklahoma bombing, I've wondered how many 9/11 rescuers were forced to keep quiet about something they saw.

http://www.riflewarrior.com/who_killed_terry_yeakey.html

And there's a short video story about him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyXMyDl0OlE

There’s a video of future President Trump running down there to get on screen. His “great people” went into the wreckage to assist. Something like that. He was too busy getting camera time.

The first time I ever went to NYC was two months after 9/11. It was for a work conference, they recognized local staff who had evacuated their students in the tower(s) area that day. Very sobering.

Another example of how the US "bravely" conducts its war on terror:

https://www.glamour.com/story/adama-bah-accused-of-being-a-terrorist

“They told me during an interrogation that Tashnuba had put me on a list to become a suicide bomber. But when I later asked Tashnuba about it, she said they’d told her I’d put her on the list.” Adama was never shown the so-called list. “There has been no evidence made public to substantiate this [suicide bomber] claim,” Charles Rangel, the congressman who represented Bah’s district, wrote to the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

[quote="left"]Nope. Wrong informations. It happens.[/quote]

It's silly to say that the wrong information can cause a reporter to be psychic and accurately predict in advance the complete collapse of a 47-floor building that wasn't hit by anything. She looked behind her at the building still standing while reporting that it had already collapsed.

Nope. Wrong informations. It happens.

[quote="left"]Because they got it wrong? Quite believable, given the context.[/quote]

Um, they got it wrong and reported the building collapsed 23 minutes before it actually did? It wasn't hit by anything, so how did they know that would happen? Are you being funny?

Because they got it wrong? Quite believable, given the context.

And why did the BBC report that WTC Building 7 had collapsed 23 minutes before it happened? The live report even shows it still standing in the background.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZqP8moItcc

And every now and then the truth slips out:

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRX8v_WjRGw

And apparently no one even flinched.

Another article on how the US conducts its "War on Terror":

https://www.thenation.com/article/deploying-informants-fbi-stings-muslims/

[quote="left"][quote="leadshoes"][quote="left"]That site just states that what happened should not have happened like it happened because it never happened before. A tower collapsing because of fire (and a plane, one might add) ? Never happened before -> must be wrong. A building collapsing like an implosion but without explosive? Never happened before -> definitely wrong...

You can believe whatever you want, personally I believe that whoever comes to a black/white conclusion is wrong.[/quote]

These are impartial European physicists who have a better understanding of how these things happen than you or I, and like I mentioned before, the planes are made of aluminum that gets dented by birds in their path, so it's not possible that they would have made a dent in steel frame structures or caused a fire that was hot enough to melt them. Now I can repeat what you just said from my point of view. Believe whatever you want, personally I believe whoever comes to a black/white conclusion is wrong. I don't think you quite understand that what you said right there can just as easily apply to the opposing point of view.[/quote]

Nope. I accept that not everything that happened on that day has found a definitive explanation. Surely there was in some way some kind of twisted interests that wanted something like that to happen. What happened in the past rarely gets totally clarified.
But I think that being, like you are, completely convinced beyond any doubt that all this was a perfectly staged thing because of a need for war, that’s just trying to find the easy answer. That’s drawing a black/white conclusion. You just choose a line and stick with that, it’s clearly like a religious extremism to you, so any attempt at reasoning fails. Always repeating the same mantras is part of that.

For the record, I drive aluminium trains and, guess what? At 120mph they can easily smash whatever steel veichle is in front of them. Let alone birds. Food for thought? :wink:[/quote]

I'm going to disagree again. I think the easy answer will always be to believe the "official story" wholesale as told by the establishment media, which in this case is the "fact" that 9/11 was the result of Islamic terrorism and that it was the planes crashing into the buildings that caused them to come down in the way they did, etc... So to me, that's seeing things in black and white in this case. And I can't begin to know the details, but no, I don't believe that official story, and I know that there's more than enough evidence to doubt it and believe there were strong incentives to stage it in order to create a new version of the Cold War scenario, with a new monolithic enemy where none exists. And I wholeheartedly believe some advice I'd read, that in this world, if you want to get to the truth of things, you need to "follow the money." But it seems that would be difficult because the government has destroyed pre-9/11 stock trading evidence:

https://www.globalresearch.ca/unusual-trading-in-stock-options-prior-to-9-11-government-destroyed-documents-regarding-pre-9-11-put-options/19750

Btw do you think your aluminum trains could take down a steel-frame high rise in the way that those planes did? I believe you that trains can and will smash birds in many cases, since even a tin can could knock one cold with the right force, but I just read right now that they've started to use an improved aluminum foam for trains because of things like this: "Collisions with our feathered friends are relatively frequent and can pose real dangers to passengers. In 2013, a high-speed train en route to Beijing was forced to stop after a bird strike cracked the train’s exterior."

https://www.wired.com/2014/12/aluminum-foam-trains/

Anyway, I think this article about how the FBI often "heroically" disrupts "terror plots" is a good reminder of the lengths the government will go to:

https://theintercept.com/2015/01/16/latest-fbi-boast-disrupting-terror-u-s-plot-deserves-scrutiny-skepticism/

And even though this episode of "The Power of Nightmares" skates around the issue of the actual 9/11 event itself, it does argue well for the reasons why these events would be manufactured or orchestrated:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD1BRE-DBsA