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  • Quote firehazard

Re: U.K. Election, 2017

Post by firehazard Wed Jun 14, 2017 8:54 am

Low D wrote:...
The same episode of "Last Week Tonight..." included a clip of Lord Buckethead criticizing Theresa May for having no plan in place for Brexit, or even the beginnings of a plan (hard/soft, negotiating team, etc). It's strange times when the only one who seems to know what's going on is Lord Buckethead.


The thing is, the question in the EU referendum was so vague that nobody really knew what they were voting for. And as nobody expected the vote to go the way it did, nobody then had any sort of plan in place for actually putting into effect the result.

Theresa May obviously doesn't have a clue what she's doing, and it now seems that most people have recognised that. And given that the three Tory ministers she's put in charge of it are either disgraced, incompetent or unhinged, that doesn't create much confidence. "Brexit means Brexit"? Bollocks means bollocks.

I think Lord Buckethead's analysis is in fact a best-case scenario.
[quote="Low D"]...
The same episode of [i]"Last Week Tonight..."[/i] included a clip of Lord Buckethead criticizing Theresa May for having no plan in place for Brexit, or even the beginnings of a plan (hard/soft, negotiating team, etc). It's strange times when the only one who seems to know what's going on is Lord Buckethead.[/quote]

The thing is, the question in the EU referendum was so vague that nobody really knew what they were voting for. And as nobody expected the vote to go the way it did, nobody then had any sort of plan in place for actually putting into effect the result.

Theresa May obviously doesn't have a clue what she's doing, and it now seems that most people have recognised that. And given that the three Tory ministers she's put in charge of it are either disgraced, incompetent or unhinged, that doesn't create much confidence. "Brexit means Brexit"? Bollocks means bollocks.

I think Lord Buckethead's analysis is in fact a best-case scenario.
  • Quote DzM

Re: U.K. Election, 2017

Post by DzM Tue Jun 13, 2017 4:27 pm

Low D wrote:
firehazard wrote:
left wrote:A short recap of what the hell is going on in the after-brexit UK, pleaseee?


I think the short answer is that nobody bloody knows. Especially not the government.


The same episode of "Last Week Tonight..." included a clip of Lord Buckethead criticizing Theresa May for having no plan in place for Brexit, or even the beginnings of a plan (hard/soft, negotiating team, etc). It's strange times when the only one who seems to know what's going on is Lord Buckethead.

I do believe Lord Buckethead put it concisely with something along the lines of "It will be a shit show."

I admire his lack of bullshit.
[quote="Low D"][quote="firehazard"][quote="left"]A short recap of what the hell is going on in the after-brexit UK, pleaseee?[/quote]

I think the short answer is that nobody bloody knows. Especially not the government.[/quote]

The same episode of [i]"Last Week Tonight..."[/i] included a clip of Lord Buckethead criticizing Theresa May for having no plan in place for Brexit, or even the beginnings of a plan (hard/soft, negotiating team, etc). It's strange times when the only one who seems to know what's going on is Lord Buckethead.[/quote]
I do believe Lord Buckethead put it concisely with something along the lines of "It will be a shit show."

I admire his lack of bullshit.
  • Quote Low D

Re: U.K. Election, 2017

Post by Low D Tue Jun 13, 2017 4:02 pm

firehazard wrote:
left wrote:A short recap of what the hell is going on in the after-brexit UK, pleaseee?


I think the short answer is that nobody bloody knows. Especially not the government.


The same episode of "Last Week Tonight..." included a clip of Lord Buckethead criticizing Theresa May for having no plan in place for Brexit, or even the beginnings of a plan (hard/soft, negotiating team, etc). It's strange times when the only one who seems to know what's going on is Lord Buckethead.
[quote="firehazard"][quote="left"]A short recap of what the hell is going on in the after-brexit UK, pleaseee?[/quote]

I think the short answer is that nobody bloody knows. Especially not the government.[/quote]

The same episode of [i]"Last Week Tonight..."[/i] included a clip of Lord Buckethead criticizing Theresa May for having no plan in place for Brexit, or even the beginnings of a plan (hard/soft, negotiating team, etc). It's strange times when the only one who seems to know what's going on is Lord Buckethead.
  • Quote firehazard

Re: U.K. Election, 2017

Post by firehazard Tue Jun 13, 2017 8:34 am

left wrote:A short recap of what the hell is going on in the after-brexit UK, pleaseee?


I think the short answer is that nobody bloody knows. Especially not the government.
[quote="left"]A short recap of what the hell is going on in the after-brexit UK, pleaseee?[/quote]

I think the short answer is that nobody bloody knows. Especially not the government.
  • Quote firehazard

Re: U.K. Election, 2017

Post by firehazard Tue Jun 13, 2017 8:32 am

Low D wrote:Image

Yes, but unfortunately UK voters missed the mark on that because only 249 people voted for Lord Buckethead. However John Oliver has proposed the UK send him (Buckethead that is) to negotiate Brexit.

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radi ... ead-brexit


Lord Buckethead has said that he was happy with the result, as he increased his share of the vote.

Lord Buckethead and Mr Fishfinger together would be a formidable negotiating team.

Image
[quote="Low D"][img]https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/bucket2.jpg?strip=all&w=960&quality=100[/img]

Yes, but unfortunately UK voters missed the mark on that because only 249 people voted for Lord Buckethead. However John Oliver has proposed the UK send him (Buckethead that is) to negotiate Brexit.

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2017/jun/12/john-oliver-theresa-may-lord-buckethead-brexit[/quote]

Lord Buckethead has said that he was happy with the result, as he increased his share of the vote.

Lord Buckethead and Mr Fishfinger together would be a formidable negotiating team.

[img]http://o.aolcdn.com/dims-shared/dims3/GLOB/crop/2314x1540+698+97/resize/640x426!/format/jpg/quality/85/http://o.aolcdn.com/hss/storage/midas/24d5c1e6e1473b7bf6cf92f471e25971/205359025/pa-news-20170609-034302-election_main_033939.jpg[/img]
  • Quote left

Re: U.K. Election, 2017

Post by left Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:52 pm

A short recap of what the hell is going on in the after-brexit UK, pleaseee?
A short recap of what the hell is going on in the after-brexit UK, pleaseee?
  • Quote Low D

Re: U.K. Election, 2017

Post by Low D Mon Jun 12, 2017 7:47 pm

Image

Yes, but unfortunately UK voters missed the mark on that because only 249 people voted for Lord Buckethead. However John Oliver has proposed the UK send him (Buckethead that is) to negotiate Brexit.

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radi ... ead-brexit
[img]https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/bucket2.jpg?strip=all&w=960&quality=100[/img]

Yes, but unfortunately UK voters missed the mark on that because only 249 people voted for Lord Buckethead. However John Oliver has proposed the UK send him (Buckethead that is) to negotiate Brexit.

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2017/jun/12/john-oliver-theresa-may-lord-buckethead-brexit
  • Quote DzM

Re: U.K. Election, 2017

Post by DzM Mon Jun 12, 2017 4:19 pm

firehazard wrote:
DzM wrote:...
We need a good space invasion to cause us all to unify.


Indeed. Nothing can unite us like space invaders.

Image

https://html5-space-invaders.herokuapp.com/
[quote="firehazard"][quote="DzM"]...
We need a good space invasion to cause us all to unify.[/quote]

Indeed. Nothing can unite us like space invaders.

[img]http://www.pcengine.co.uk/Images-Screenshots_S-Z/Space_Invaders_Original_02.png[/img][/quote]
https://html5-space-invaders.herokuapp.com/
  • Quote firehazard

Re: U.K. Election, 2017

Post by firehazard Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:04 am

DzM wrote:...
We need a good space invasion to cause us all to unify.


Indeed. Nothing can unite us like space invaders.

Image
[quote="DzM"]...
We need a good space invasion to cause us all to unify.[/quote]

Indeed. Nothing can unite us like space invaders.

[img]http://www.pcengine.co.uk/Images-Screenshots_S-Z/Space_Invaders_Original_02.png[/img]
  • Quote DzM

Re: U.K. Election, 2017

Post by DzM Sun Jun 11, 2017 7:38 pm

So here's a thought - What really held the UK and the USA together, in a societal sense, for a very long time was having a common enemy that (for the most part) everyone could rally around. Those Commies were scary and all levels of society, generally, could be on the same page of "we all pull together of those godless reds will over-run us."

It's now been 20 years since the USSR collapsed. The societies of the member states obviously had to immediately deal with a cultural shock and readjustment. In the west we've taken longer to adjust. Now the differences in our internal factions are becoming more obvious and it's becoming increasingly easy for us to turn on ourselves rather than put aside our differences in service of the greater goal.

Or something. I dunno. I'm blowing this out my arse right now. It does feel a whole lot like at this moment in history we're all trying to adjust to not having a common enemy that we can all agree poses an existential threat (ironically we HAVE a common enemy that does pose an existential threat, but it's also an abstract one that is brought about not by an us-against-them mentality but rather a screw-the-future-me-me-me mentality, and that's harder for people to wrap their heads around).

We need a good space invasion to cause us all to unify.

Image
So here's a thought - What really held the UK and the USA together, in a societal sense, for a very long time was having a common enemy that (for the most part) everyone could rally around. Those Commies were scary and all levels of society, generally, could be on the same page of "we all pull together of those godless reds will over-run us."

It's now been 20 years since the USSR collapsed. The societies of the member states obviously had to immediately deal with a cultural shock and readjustment. In the west we've taken longer to adjust. Now the differences in our internal factions are becoming more obvious and it's becoming increasingly easy for us to turn on ourselves rather than put aside our differences in service of the greater goal.

Or something. I dunno. I'm blowing this out my arse right now. It does feel a whole lot like at this moment in history we're all trying to adjust to not having a common enemy that we can all agree poses an existential threat (ironically we HAVE a common enemy that does pose an existential threat, but it's also an abstract one that is brought about not by an us-against-them mentality but rather a screw-the-future-me-me-me mentality, and that's harder for people to wrap their heads around).

We need a good space invasion to cause us all to unify.

[img]https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.I6VOIJuLugvgApiPS_-arwDWEs%26pid%3D15.1&f=1[/img]
  • Quote firehazard

Re: U.K. Election, 2017

Post by firehazard Sat Jun 10, 2017 10:15 am

One day later...

A lot of it's about what the expectations were at the beginning of the campaign and what actually transpired.

Theresa May saw a series of opinion polls giving her party a massive lead, with the opposition looking very weak, and so changed the law (the last government passed a fixed-term parliaments act, meaning general elections could take place only every 5 years) to allow her to call a snap election, imagining a Tory majority of 150+ MPs.

Something happened during the subsequent campaign, and things changed. The Tory campaign was frankly terrible, and seemed based on their sense of entitlement - "We know what's best for you plebs. Don't question us." Meanwhile, and against everyone's expectations (including mine, I have to admit), the Labour party produced a raft of policies that were both sensible and popular. More significantly, for the first time possibly ever in this country, Jeremy Corbyn energised the "youth" vote. Historically, in this country, people aged 18-24, in particular, have been politically alienated and just haven't voted. This time they did, and the vast majority of them voted for him.

So Labour improved markedly on what was expected, and increased their number of MPs significantly. The Tories still won most seats, but lost their parliamentary majority. Theresa May had stated repeatedly that if that happened, she'd step down. She has since, obviously, changed her mind. So now, to retain power, she has to make a deal to get support from other parties. And her chosen allies have turned out (predictably) to be Northern Ireland's DUP, who are notoriously homophobic, opposed to reproductive rights, anti-Catholic, climate-change-denying social conservatives. Oh, and with strong links to loyalist paramilitaries. Which is somewhat ironic given the repeated Tory charges against Jeremy Corbyn that he's a "terrorist sympathiser".

Meanwhile, many Tory MPs are reportedly furious with May (one senior Tory MP quoted as saying, "We all fucking hate her. But there is nothing we can do. She has totally fucked us"). And the leader of the Scottish Tories (who gained about a dozen seats in this election, thus saving May from even more electoral problems), Ruth Davidson, a strong supporter of LGBT rights, has expressed grave concerns about any alliance with the DUP, and there are rumours that the Scottish Tories are considering setting themselves up as a separate entity from the UK party. And today May's two closest advisers have resigned...

Get the popcorn. This could get interesting.
One day later...

A lot of it's about what the expectations were at the beginning of the campaign and what actually transpired.

Theresa May saw a series of opinion polls giving her party a massive lead, with the opposition looking very weak, and so changed the law (the last government passed a fixed-term parliaments act, meaning general elections could take place only every 5 years) to allow her to call a snap election, imagining a Tory majority of 150+ MPs.

Something happened during the subsequent campaign, and things changed. The Tory campaign was frankly terrible, and seemed based on their sense of entitlement - "We know what's best for you plebs. Don't question us." Meanwhile, and against everyone's expectations (including mine, I have to admit), the Labour party produced a raft of policies that were both sensible and popular. More significantly, for the first time possibly ever in this country, Jeremy Corbyn energised the "youth" vote. Historically, in this country, people aged 18-24, in particular, have been politically alienated and just haven't voted. This time they did, and the vast majority of them voted for him.

So Labour improved markedly on what was expected, and increased their number of MPs significantly. The Tories still won most seats, but lost their parliamentary majority. Theresa May had stated repeatedly that if that happened, she'd step down. She has since, obviously, changed her mind. So now, to retain power, she has to make a deal to get support from other parties. And her chosen allies have turned out (predictably) to be Northern Ireland's DUP, who are notoriously homophobic, opposed to reproductive rights, anti-Catholic, climate-change-denying social conservatives. Oh, and with strong links to loyalist paramilitaries. Which is somewhat ironic given the repeated Tory charges against Jeremy Corbyn that he's a "terrorist sympathiser".

Meanwhile, many Tory MPs are reportedly furious with May (one senior Tory MP quoted as saying, "We all fucking hate her. But there is nothing we can do. She has totally fucked us"). And the leader of the Scottish Tories (who gained about a dozen seats in this election, thus saving May from even more electoral problems), Ruth Davidson, a strong supporter of LGBT rights, has expressed grave concerns about any alliance with the DUP, and there are rumours that the Scottish Tories are considering setting themselves up as a separate entity from the UK party. And today May's two closest advisers have resigned...

Get the popcorn. This could get interesting.
  • Quote Low D

Re: U.K. Election, 2017

Post by Low D Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:48 pm

firehazard wrote:
I suspect we may all still be screwed but will enjoy the moment and think more seriously later.


I might tattoo this backwards on my face so i see it every time i look in a mirror.
[quote="firehazard"]

I suspect we may all still be screwed but will enjoy the moment and think more seriously later.[/quote]

I might tattoo this backwards on my face so i see it every time i look in a mirror.
  • Quote DzM

Re: U.K. Election, 2017

Post by DzM Fri Jun 09, 2017 8:59 pm

firehazard wrote:I suspect we may all still be screwed but will enjoy the moment and think more seriously later.

A solid dose of screwed always goes down a little bit better with some schadenfreude mixed in. :)
[quote="firehazard"]I suspect we may all still be screwed but will enjoy the moment and think more seriously later.[/quote]
A solid dose of screwed always goes down a little bit better with some schadenfreude mixed in. :)
  • Quote firehazard

Re: U.K. Election, 2017

Post by firehazard Fri Jun 09, 2017 8:30 pm

Tory hubris called the unnecessary election. Tory sense of entitlement means they've devised a coalition of bigots to keep power, for now at least.

Anyway, tonight I am mostly laughing and drinking. Stunning result in my constituency, which needs celebrating. Not much sleep was had last night.

I suspect we may all still be screwed but will enjoy the moment and think more seriously later.
Tory hubris called the unnecessary election. Tory sense of entitlement means they've devised a coalition of bigots to keep power, for now at least.

Anyway, tonight I am mostly laughing and drinking. Stunning result in my constituency, which needs celebrating. Not much sleep was had last night.

I suspect we may all still be screwed but will enjoy the moment and think more seriously later.
  • Quote Low D

Re: U.K. Election, 2017

Post by Low D Fri Jun 09, 2017 6:24 pm

I understand the Tories have only managed to form government with he support of the Northern Ireland Democratic Unionist party. Wankers (Tories & DUP, that is).
I understand the Tories have only managed to form government with he support of the Northern Ireland Democratic Unionist party. Wankers (Tories & DUP, that is).

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