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  • Quote Billy

Re: March 9, Washington DC

Post by Billy Mon Mar 17, 2008 4:04 am

mudamaguire wrote:I fought the overwhelming urge to make the sign of the cross and take a knee when Shane Macgowan walked on stage. One person's drunk is another person's redeemer.


Recently read 'sands of empire' (robert w. merry) - just read brothers (david talbot) and just saw bobby (emilio estevez) all really must read/see. Very enjoyable. Just the surface of what Shane writes about.
[quote="mudamaguire"]I fought the overwhelming urge to make the sign of the cross and take a knee when Shane Macgowan walked on stage. One person's drunk is another person's redeemer.[/quote]

Recently read 'sands of empire' (robert w. merry) - just read brothers (david talbot) and just saw bobby (emilio estevez) all really must read/see. Very enjoyable. Just the surface of what Shane writes about.
  • Quote Clash Cadillac

Re: March 9, Washington DC

Post by Clash Cadillac Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:27 am

ManniGee wrote:SALLY
RAINY NIGHT
DOG
----------------
STAR
POOR PADDY
FIESTA


Can anyone tell me the full name of the title "dog" and "star" ?

Thx !!


dog = The Irish Rover
star = Star of the County Down
[quote="ManniGee"]SALLY
RAINY NIGHT
DOG
----------------
STAR
POOR PADDY
FIESTA


Can anyone tell me the full name of the title "dog" and "star" ?

Thx !![/quote]

dog = The Irish Rover
star = Star of the County Down
  • Quote ManniGee

Re: March 9, Washington DC

Post by ManniGee Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:04 am

SALLY
RAINY NIGHT
DOG
----------------
STAR
POOR PADDY
FIESTA


Can anyone tell me the full name of the title "dog" and "star" ?

Thx !!
SALLY
RAINY NIGHT
DOG
----------------
STAR
POOR PADDY
FIESTA


Can anyone tell me the full name of the title "dog" and "star" ?

Thx !!
  • Quote mudamaguire

Re: March 9, Washington DC

Post by mudamaguire Sun Mar 16, 2008 5:58 pm

I fought the overwhelming urge to make the sign of the cross and take a knee when Shane Macgowan walked on stage. One person's drunk is another person's redeemer.
I fought the overwhelming urge to make the sign of the cross and take a knee when Shane Macgowan walked on stage. One person's drunk is another person's redeemer.
  • Quote Billy

Re: March 9, Washington DC

Post by Billy Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:41 am

CMG wrote:
MacRua wrote:Another fan review:

By Bethany Shaffer (March 11, 2008, Full URL)

What Are You Laughing At?

I had heard the stories...


Referencing bethany:
I suppose Brendon Behan was just a limerick writer, Ernest Hemmingway was just a readers digest stringer, Oscar Wilde was just a fag, Jackson Pollack was just a paint thrower, Vincent Van Gogh was paint by numbers???
I guess when you are small minded you fail to see the big beauty, the poetry in motion.
Embrace the madness bethany and get beyond the smallness of your judgemental self.
Would You sacrifice Your life for the Poetry of the Universe?


Hey bethany,
You want pathetic, go see a Ringo Starr concert (or Police or Rolling Stones (how is it no one is grey??? or Phil Collins). You want sad, take a look at the real history of the Irish Famine or who shot the Kennedy's or Iraq. Get real and grow up. There is so much to say and the artist is one that can say it with an economy words, only as many words as necessary but alas I am not an artist. You want to draw parallels, go see Aeorsmith (the toxic twins) or maybe the Who or JImmy Hendirx, I heard Janis Johplin used to be real "warmed up" for shows, any one of the hundreds of artist with substance abuse issues. Notice a pattern here? Do you think we are blind? I cannot care about what Shane, or any of the band did (back in the day or in the present), as I don't know them, nor they me or my family. If statistics mean anything there is a least a 50/50 chance we would not get along, worse if you go with actuals. The basis of a "fan relationship" is one that, they make music and I listen to it; period. All there is in that equation is what happens on stage. As far as the band and what they think, well that is like trying to figure out what is really going on in someone’s marriage, forget it, they are there because they choose to be and unless you are on the inside of that you haven’t a way to have a clue.

When I didn't have a penny, they (all of you), treated me like some kind of disease, nothing to do with me, but now I am a respectable lad making money, now I am ok. Maybe I should follow the Bono model, and be a preacher while I sit on my 100 million dollar yacht and tell others to watch out for the poor. Get off it.

With that in mind, I cannot say it any better, then that of the drunken Irish fool you mentioned. :roll:

I like to walk in the summer breeze
Down dalling road by the dead old trees
And drink with my friends
In the hammersmith broadway
Dear dirty delightful old drunken old days

Then the winter came down and I loved it so dearly
The pubs and the bookies where youd spend all your time
And the old men that were singing
When the roses bloom again
And turn like the leaves
To a new summertime

Now the winter comes down
I cant stand the chill
That comes to the streets around christmas time
And Im buggered to damnation
And I havent got a penny
To wander the dark streets of london

Every time that I look on the first day of summer
Takes me back to the place where they gave ect
And the drugged up psychos
With death in their eyes
And how all of this really
Means nothing to me

Now the winter comes down
I cant stand the chill
That comes to the streets around christmas time
And Im buggered to damnation
And I havent got a penny
To wander the dark streets of london

Every time that I look on the first day of summer
Takes me back to the place where they gave ect
And the drugged up psychos
With death in their eyes
And how all of this really
Means nothing to me

Now the winter comes down
I cant stand the chill
That comes to the streets around christmas time
And Im buggered to damnation
And I havent got a penny
To wander the dark streets of london
To wander the dark streets of london
To wander the dark streets of london
[quote="CMG"][quote="MacRua"]Another fan review:

By [i][b]Bethany Shaffer [/b](March 11, 2008, [url=http://levinsquandary.blogspot.com/2008/03/what-are-you-laughing-at.html]Full URL[/url]) [/i]

[indent][b]What Are You Laughing At?[/b]

I had heard the stories...[/indent][/quote]

Referencing bethany:
I suppose Brendon Behan was just a limerick writer, Ernest Hemmingway was just a readers digest stringer, Oscar Wilde was just a fag, Jackson Pollack was just a paint thrower, Vincent Van Gogh was paint by numbers???
I guess when you are small minded you fail to see the big beauty, the poetry in motion.
Embrace the madness bethany and get beyond the smallness of your judgemental self.
Would You sacrifice Your life for the Poetry of the Universe?[/quote]

Hey bethany,
You want pathetic, go see a Ringo Starr concert (or Police or Rolling Stones (how is it no one is grey??? or Phil Collins). You want sad, take a look at the real history of the Irish Famine or who shot the Kennedy's or Iraq. Get real and grow up. There is so much to say and the artist is one that can say it with an economy words, only as many words as necessary but alas I am not an artist. You want to draw parallels, go see Aeorsmith (the toxic twins) or maybe the Who or JImmy Hendirx, I heard Janis Johplin used to be real "warmed up" for shows, any one of the hundreds of artist with substance abuse issues. Notice a pattern here? Do you think we are blind? I cannot care about what Shane, or any of the band did (back in the day or in the present), as I don't know them, nor they me or my family. If statistics mean anything there is a least a 50/50 chance we would not get along, worse if you go with actuals. The basis of a "fan relationship" is one that, they make music and I listen to it; period. All there is in that equation is what happens on stage. As far as the band and what they think, well that is like trying to figure out what is really going on in someone’s marriage, forget it, they are there because they choose to be and unless you are on the inside of that you haven’t a way to have a clue.

When I didn't have a penny, they (all of you), treated me like some kind of disease, nothing to do with me, but now I am a respectable lad making money, now I am ok. Maybe I should follow the Bono model, and be a preacher while I sit on my 100 million dollar yacht and tell others to watch out for the poor. Get off it.

With that in mind, I cannot say it any better, then that of the drunken Irish fool you mentioned. :roll:

I like to walk in the summer breeze
Down dalling road by the dead old trees
And drink with my friends
In the hammersmith broadway
Dear dirty delightful old drunken old days

Then the winter came down and I loved it so dearly
The pubs and the bookies where youd spend all your time
And the old men that were singing
When the roses bloom again
And turn like the leaves
To a new summertime

Now the winter comes down
I cant stand the chill
That comes to the streets around christmas time
And Im buggered to damnation
And I havent got a penny
To wander the dark streets of london

Every time that I look on the first day of summer
Takes me back to the place where they gave ect
And the drugged up psychos
With death in their eyes
And how all of this really
Means nothing to me

Now the winter comes down
I cant stand the chill
That comes to the streets around christmas time
And Im buggered to damnation
And I havent got a penny
To wander the dark streets of london

Every time that I look on the first day of summer
Takes me back to the place where they gave ect
And the drugged up psychos
With death in their eyes
And how all of this really
Means nothing to me

Now the winter comes down
I cant stand the chill
That comes to the streets around christmas time
And Im buggered to damnation
And I havent got a penny
To wander the dark streets of london
To wander the dark streets of london
To wander the dark streets of london
  • Quote 082157

Re: March 9, Washington DC

Post by 082157 Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:28 am

Anyone have the show times/schedules for Sat. and Sun. nights? Thanks.
Anyone have the show times/schedules for Sat. and Sun. nights? Thanks.
  • Quote DzM

Re: March 9, Washington DC

Post by DzM Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:22 am

So - How many of you are posting replies to Bethany's blog inviting her to come here and debate? If she doesn't come here, and you don't go there, she will never see your replies.
So - How many of you are posting replies to Bethany's blog inviting her to come here and debate? If she doesn't come here, and you don't go there, she will never see your replies.
  • Quote territa

Re: March 9, Washington DC

Post by territa Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:18 am

Next time, Bethany, buy your own ticket. And join fans incognito before the show and have a pint or three. And maybe, just maybe, you'll get it.
Next time, Bethany, buy your own ticket. And join fans incognito before the show and have a pint or three. And maybe, just maybe, you'll get it.
  • Quote 082157

Re: March 9, Washington DC

Post by 082157 Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:15 am

Bethany: Stop worrying about Shane's battle with the demons.....worry more about the demons. He's got them right where he wants them.
Bethany: Stop worrying about Shane's battle with the demons.....worry more about the demons. He's got them right where he wants them.
  • Quote O'Blivion

Re: March 9, Washington DC

Post by O'Blivion Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:08 am

DzM wrote:
CMG wrote:Would You sacrifice Your life for the Poetry of the Universe?

Don't we all, every day, whether we choose to or not?


That is DEEP.
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[quote="DzM"][quote="CMG"]Would You sacrifice Your life for the Poetry of the Universe?[/quote]
Don't we all, every day, whether we choose to or not?[/quote]

That is [size=200]DEEP.[/size]
[img]http://www.jour.city.ac.uk/books/pictures/tens/autobiography/navelgazing.jpg[/img]
  • Quote DzM

Re: March 9, Washington DC

Post by DzM Sat Mar 15, 2008 1:57 am

CMG wrote:Would You sacrifice Your life for the Poetry of the Universe?

Don't we all, every day, whether we choose to or not?
[quote="CMG"]Would You sacrifice Your life for the Poetry of the Universe?[/quote]
Don't we all, every day, whether we choose to or not?
  • Quote CMG

Re: March 9, Washington DC

Post by CMG Sat Mar 15, 2008 1:53 am

MacRua wrote:Another fan review:

By Bethany Shaffer (March 11, 2008, Full URL)

What Are You Laughing At?

I had heard the stories...


Referencing bethany:
I suppose Brendon Behan was just a limerick writer, Ernest Hemmingway was just a readers digest stringer, Oscar Wilde was just a fag, Jackson Pollack was just a paint thrower, Vincent Van Gogh was paint by numbers???
I guess when you are small minded you fail to see the big beauty, the poetry in motion.
Embrace the madness bethany get, beyond the smallness of your judgemental self.
Would You sacrifice Your life for the Poetry of the Universe?
[quote="MacRua"]Another fan review:

By [i][b]Bethany Shaffer [/b](March 11, 2008, [url=http://levinsquandary.blogspot.com/2008/03/what-are-you-laughing-at.html]Full URL[/url]) [/i]

[indent][b]What Are You Laughing At?[/b]

I had heard the stories...[/indent][/quote]

Referencing bethany:
I suppose Brendon Behan was just a limerick writer, Ernest Hemmingway was just a readers digest stringer, Oscar Wilde was just a fag, Jackson Pollack was just a paint thrower, Vincent Van Gogh was paint by numbers???
I guess when you are small minded you fail to see the big beauty, the poetry in motion.
Embrace the madness bethany get, beyond the smallness of your judgemental self.
Would You sacrifice Your life for the Poetry of the Universe?
  • Quote Saucier

Re: March 9, Washington DC

Post by Saucier Fri Mar 14, 2008 2:25 am

...this gal is a sanctimonious windbag and she didn't even get his name right.

Ms Shaffer, that is.
...this gal is a sanctimonious windbag and she didn't even get his name right.

Ms Shaffer, that is.
  • Quote Jon

Re: March 9, Washington DC

Post by Jon Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:03 pm

MacRua wrote:Another fan review:
I guess what I'm railing against most of all is the crowd's reaction to and treatment of the issue. Doesn't anyone else see the line drawn between happy-go-lucky pint-swigging Irishmen and a man battling the demon of alcoholism[/indent]

It's funny, I had some kind of empathy up until the last sentance when the inevitable stereotype comes flying in through the open window and clips the reader gently on the back of the ear.

A lot of folks seem to feel the same annoyance at parting with their cash to see a similar 'display', but when you chat to them they don't see the Pogues as a one man band but can draw some enjoyment out of the show regardless, 'critics' (cause they aren't reviewers) don't seem to be able to do this.
[quote="MacRua"]Another fan review:
I guess what I'm railing against most of all is the crowd's reaction to and treatment of the issue. Doesn't anyone else see the line drawn between happy-go-lucky pint-swigging Irishmen and a man battling the demon of alcoholism[/indent][/quote]
It's funny, I had some kind of empathy up until the last sentance when the inevitable stereotype comes flying in through the open window and clips the reader gently on the back of the ear.

A lot of folks seem to feel the same annoyance at parting with their cash to see a similar 'display', but when you chat to them they don't see the Pogues as a one man band but can draw some enjoyment out of the show regardless, 'critics' (cause they aren't reviewers) don't seem to be able to do this.
  • Quote philofbelloni

Re: March 9, Washington DC

Post by philofbelloni Thu Mar 13, 2008 2:55 pm

MacRua wrote:Another fan review:

By Bethany Shaffer (March 11, 2008, Full URL)

What Are You Laughing At?

I had heard the stories. I had heard the live recordings-the ones where he forgets the words and slurs his way through the chorus hoping the all-knowing loyal-to-the-end audience will fill in the blanks. I had even seen the pictures, but not until you see it in person will you ever know the true nature of a Shane McGowan performance. I say "a Shane McGowan performance" and not "Shane McGowan" because I don't know the man and I am losing tolerance of fans and critics assuming they know a person under the spotlight of public attention beyond what is shown in the actual spotlight.
The Shane McGowan performance is one that is experienced in stages:

First: Horror. What makes the sight of this sad, drunk man horrifying isn't that he falls off the stage, takes his pants off, pees on the accordion player, or calls all the women in the front row whores. Because, he doesn't do any of that. Perhaps he did at one point in his youth when his liver allowed for more vibrancy, but he didn't do it last night at the 9:30 Club.
No, if he had actually done these things, the reaction wouldn't be so much of horror, but rather of redundancy. The horror comes from the stillness, the calm, the resignation of the rest of the band to the slobbered, slurred rants, the random walks offstage and the overall sense that this man really may not know where he is. The horror also comes, at least in my case, from the fact that this talented songwriter and vocalist (when sober) sounds like complete and utter shite, forgetting the words at least 25% of the time and mumbling out the rest in an incoherent blaze of rasp and spittle. After the first song, I felt overwhelmingly grateful that I hadn't spent my own money on the ticket.

Second: Anger. If I had spent money on the ticket I have no doubt that the feeling that would have inevitably blocked my enjoying the rest of the concert would have been anger. Anger at the cost of the damn thing. Anger at the fact that I came out of my nice warm home to deal with a large crowd that never fails to trigger my anxiety. Anger at the fact that this is a really good band (and the rest of the band did a really terrific job) that is being overshadowed by their trainwreck of a frontman.

Third and final: Pity and sadness. Finally, after an hour or more of spouting telepathic curses at the poor man, your ire relents and, looking around at the crowd shaking their heads in patronizing good-humour (Oh, Shane) and laughing outright at his between song outtakes, you realize that this whole situation is really truly sad. I know I may sound like an old stick in the mud, and maybe Mr. McGowan doesn't want my pity/support/defense but jesus christ, the man needs help! Now, I know that sounds naive because obviously the man has been through rehab, been kicked out of the band and experienced numerous other ramifications due to his lifestyle, but it is my feeling that because of that knowledge, these so-called fans are the credulous ones. What kind of support is it to simultaneously cheer and jeer a man broken by addiction? This kind of "fan-base" smacks reminiscent of Britney Spears "fans" reading US Weekly and watching TMZ in wait for the next commando flash or paparazzi love affair.

Now, I know what some of you will say: you love the music, you are supporting the band. I get it. A lot of musicians I have supported over the years have dealt with similar issues. I guess what I'm railing against most of all is the crowd's reaction to and treatment of the issue. Doesn't anyone else see the line drawn between happy-go-lucky pint-swigging Irishmen and a man battling the demon of alcoholism


Forget betting on a bottle of smoke. I'd put the house that whomever went to the concert with this chick didn't get laid.
Try Paxil, honey. It works wonders for social anxiety.
[quote="MacRua"]Another fan review:

By [i][b]Bethany Shaffer [/b](March 11, 2008, [url=http://levinsquandary.blogspot.com/2008/03/what-are-you-laughing-at.html]Full URL[/url]) [/i]

[indent][b]What Are You Laughing At?[/b]

I had heard the stories. I had heard the live recordings-the ones where he forgets the words and slurs his way through the chorus hoping the all-knowing loyal-to-the-end audience will fill in the blanks. I had even seen the pictures, but not until you see it in person will you ever know the true nature of a Shane McGowan performance. I say "a Shane McGowan performance" and not "Shane McGowan" because I don't know the man and I am losing tolerance of fans and critics assuming they know a person under the spotlight of public attention beyond what is shown in the actual spotlight.
The Shane McGowan performance is one that is experienced in stages:

First: Horror. What makes the sight of this sad, drunk man horrifying isn't that he falls off the stage, takes his pants off, pees on the accordion player, or calls all the women in the front row whores. Because, he doesn't do any of that. Perhaps he did at one point in his youth when his liver allowed for more vibrancy, but he didn't do it last night at the 9:30 Club.
No, if he had actually done these things, the reaction wouldn't be so much of horror, but rather of redundancy. The horror comes from the stillness, the calm, the resignation of the rest of the band to the slobbered, slurred rants, the random walks offstage and the overall sense that this man really may not know where he is. The horror also comes, at least in my case, from the fact that this talented songwriter and vocalist (when sober) sounds like complete and utter shite, forgetting the words at least 25% of the time and mumbling out the rest in an incoherent blaze of rasp and spittle. After the first song, I felt overwhelmingly grateful that I hadn't spent my own money on the ticket.

Second: Anger. If I had spent money on the ticket I have no doubt that the feeling that would have inevitably blocked my enjoying the rest of the concert would have been anger. Anger at the cost of the damn thing. Anger at the fact that I came out of my nice warm home to deal with a large crowd that never fails to trigger my anxiety. Anger at the fact that this is a really good band (and the rest of the band did a really terrific job) that is being overshadowed by their trainwreck of a frontman.

Third and final: Pity and sadness. Finally, after an hour or more of spouting telepathic curses at the poor man, your ire relents and, looking around at the crowd shaking their heads in patronizing good-humour (Oh, Shane) and laughing outright at his between song outtakes, you realize that this whole situation is really truly sad. I know I may sound like an old stick in the mud, and maybe Mr. McGowan doesn't want my pity/support/defense but jesus christ, the man needs help! Now, I know that sounds naive because obviously the man has been through rehab, been kicked out of the band and experienced numerous other ramifications due to his lifestyle, but it is my feeling that because of that knowledge, these so-called fans are the credulous ones. What kind of support is it to simultaneously cheer and jeer a man broken by addiction? This kind of "fan-base" smacks reminiscent of Britney Spears "fans" reading US Weekly and watching TMZ in wait for the next commando flash or paparazzi love affair.

Now, I know what some of you will say: you love the music, you are supporting the band. I get it. A lot of musicians I have supported over the years have dealt with similar issues. I guess what I'm railing against most of all is the crowd's reaction to and treatment of the issue. Doesn't anyone else see the line drawn between happy-go-lucky pint-swigging Irishmen and a man battling the demon of alcoholism[/indent][/quote]

Forget betting on a bottle of smoke. I'd put the house that whomever went to the concert with this chick didn't get laid.
Try Paxil, honey. It works wonders for social anxiety.

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