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Post by Setanta Thu Jan 24, 2019 5:09 pm

It was interesting that you can hear the words Shane and Spider are signing of "Down In The Ground Where The Dead Men Go" much clearer than on Red Roses. For years I hadn't a clue what most of the lyric of that song was!

Also if you scroll down to the bottom of the page there is a link to a podcast which reviews "Hells Ditch" The two guys don't actually start talking about the album until about twenty minutes in. They get a few facts wrong throughout the review but at the very end there is a gem of a cover "Summer in Siam". I think its the two guys themselves doing it.

https://archive.org/details/TheLostWaxP ... HellsDitch
It was interesting that you can hear the words Shane and Spider are signing of "Down In The Ground Where The Dead Men Go" much clearer than on Red Roses. For years I hadn't a clue what most of the lyric of that song was!

Also if you scroll down to the bottom of the page there is a link to a podcast which reviews "Hells Ditch" The two guys don't actually start talking about the album until about twenty minutes in. They get a few facts wrong throughout the review but at the very end there is a gem of a cover "Summer in Siam". I think its the two guys themselves doing it.

https://archive.org/details/TheLostWaxPodcastEpisode56ThePogues-HellsDitch
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Post by left Tue Mar 27, 2018 6:59 pm

I’ve seen more than once young bands at their first shows re-playing a song...they just had no extra song ready to play! I guess this could be true for the Pogues too...
I’ve seen more than once young bands at their first shows re-playing a song...they just had no extra song ready to play! I guess this could be true for the Pogues too...
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Post by Kilmichael Tue Mar 27, 2018 6:46 pm

Ture, but the audience (such as it was) must have been confused!
What do people think of the Oct 1982 gig? Not one I'd heard before but interesting to hear a few numbers with John Hassler on drums - can see why they replaced him with The Clobberer! Must have only been about their 3rd or 4th gig.
Ture, but the audience (such as it was) must have been confused!
What do people think of the Oct 1982 gig? Not one I'd heard before but interesting to hear a few numbers with John Hassler on drums - can see why they replaced him with The Clobberer! Must have only been about their 3rd or 4th gig.
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Post by Low D Tue Mar 27, 2018 6:21 pm

Kilmichael wrote:The other question for me is why did they do Muirshin Durkin twice?!


'Cause it's eff-ing fabulous? :)
[quote="Kilmichael"]The other question for me is why did they do Muirshin Durkin twice?![/quote]

'Cause it's eff-ing fabulous? :)
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Post by Kilmichael Tue Mar 27, 2018 6:18 pm

Fr. McGreer wrote:Yep me too. I thought he had just gone blank and la la la'd to keep going. But the gas thing is that you can clearly hear Spider doing exactly the same backing up Shane. These recordings are so good. I wonder though if this 'la la' version was actually meant to be that the old men referenced in the previous line were actually just drunk and really Shane meant they were singing "la la la....."? Then Spider or someone told Shane it sounds shite so he wrote the line "When the roses bloom again and turn like the leaves"

Either way, it's great to have the history of how the song developed.

Definitely agree, I love raw early recordings like this. It's clearly a soundboard recording so I wonder if it was recorded as some sort of live demo? The other question for me is why did they do Muirshin Durkin twice?!
[quote="Fr. McGreer"]Yep me too. I thought he had just gone blank and la la la'd to keep going. But the gas thing is that you can clearly hear Spider doing exactly the same backing up Shane. These recordings are so good. I wonder though if this 'la la' version was actually meant to be that the old men referenced in the previous line were actually just drunk and really Shane meant they were singing "la la la....."? Then Spider or someone told Shane it sounds shite so he wrote the line "When the roses bloom again and turn like the leaves"

Either way, it's great to have the history of how the song developed.[/quote]
Definitely agree, I love raw early recordings like this. It's clearly a soundboard recording so I wonder if it was recorded as some sort of live demo? The other question for me is why did they do Muirshin Durkin twice?!
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Post by Fr. McGreer Tue Mar 27, 2018 4:15 pm

Yep me too. I thought he had just gone blank and la la la'd to keep going. But the gas thing is that you can clearly hear Spider doing exactly the same backing up Shane. These recordings are so good. I wonder though if this 'la la' version was actually meant to be that the old men referenced in the previous line were actually just drunk and really Shane meant they were singing "la la la....."? Then Spider or someone told Shane it sounds shite so he wrote the line "When the roses bloom again and turn like the leaves"

Either way, it's great to have the history of how the song developed.
Yep me too. I thought he had just gone blank and la la la'd to keep going. But the gas thing is that you can clearly hear Spider doing exactly the same backing up Shane. These recordings are so good. I wonder though if this 'la la' version was actually meant to be that the old men referenced in the previous line were actually just drunk and really Shane meant they were singing "la la la....."? Then Spider or someone told Shane it sounds shite so he wrote the line "When the roses bloom again and turn like the leaves"

Either way, it's great to have the history of how the song developed.
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Re: Slainte

Post by Kilmichael Tue Mar 27, 2018 5:53 am

Fr. McGreer wrote:
DzM wrote:This is awesome. Thanks!


Seconded. I'd heard one or two of these tracks before but never in context as a complete set.

Thanks so much for the link Kilmichael.

Cheers, can't take any credit for posting it but always happy to share! Had been looking for it for a while as I'd never heard their version of the Holy Ground but to be honest had given up ever finding it. It feels to me like an even earlier gig than the 100 Club in Nov '83, but no way of knowing for sure.

One interesting thing is that on the demo version of 'Dark Streets' on the box set, when Shane starts 'la la la'ing' at the end of the first verse I'd always assumed he'd messed the words up. Listening to this he does exactly the same thing at exactly the same spot, so I'm guessing he actually hadn't finished the lyrics at this point.
[quote="Fr. McGreer"][quote="DzM"]This is awesome. Thanks![/quote]

Seconded. I'd heard one or two of these tracks before but never in context as a complete set.

Thanks so much for the link Kilmichael.[/quote]
Cheers, can't take any credit for posting it but always happy to share! Had been looking for it for a while as I'd never heard their version of the Holy Ground but to be honest had given up ever finding it. It feels to me like an even earlier gig than the 100 Club in Nov '83, but no way of knowing for sure.

One interesting thing is that on the demo version of 'Dark Streets' on the box set, when Shane starts 'la la la'ing' at the end of the first verse I'd always assumed he'd messed the words up. Listening to this he does exactly the same thing at exactly the same spot, so I'm guessing he actually hadn't finished the lyrics at this point.
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Post by Fr. McGreer Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:46 pm

DzM wrote:This is awesome. Thanks!


Seconded. I'd heard one or two of these tracks before but never in context as a complete set.

Thanks so much for the link Kilmichael.
[quote="DzM"]This is awesome. Thanks![/quote]

Seconded. I'd heard one or two of these tracks before but never in context as a complete set.

Thanks so much for the link Kilmichael.
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Post by Kilmichael Mon Mar 26, 2018 5:26 am

DzM wrote:This is awesome. Thanks!

Stumbled across the link on YouTube. Wasn't sure it would be OK to post but thought I'd risk it!
[quote="DzM"]This is awesome. Thanks![/quote]
Stumbled across the link on YouTube. Wasn't sure it would be OK to post but thought I'd risk it!
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Post by DzM Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:50 am

This is awesome. Thanks!
This is awesome. Thanks!
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Post by Kilmichael Sun Mar 25, 2018 2:32 pm

https://archive.org/details/pogues-almo ... ondon-1983
https://archive.org/details/pogues-almost-live-london-1983

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